Tuesday, March 1, 2011

Area Rating- Surprise Option


Chambers' recommendations - Click here
New article in The Spec. Click here


"One of the most difficult and contentious issues for Hamilton to deal with."  That's how City Manager Chris Murray once described the looming issue of Area Rating- and he is probably right. Hitting residents  where it hurts- residential taxes- the area rating issue can be explosive and  serve up the next chapter of twists, turns, hills and valleys as we journey into the delicate and nuanced area of deciding how services and taxes inter-relate, and who pays for what.

Already, there is a mini drama unfolding. You may recall that a citizen's forum was commissioned to explore the issue of area rating and return with a report/recommendations. The report returned some suggested changes that could result in significant tax increase to the sub-burbs. "Significant tax increase" is the first of many phrases that are likely to inflame discussions.


Enter a coalition of the Chambers of Commerce- Hamilton, Stoney Creek and Flamborough. Led with a presentation by John Dolbec, a new model and approach is tabled. The Chambers' model was considered by the Citizen's forum, but rejected as it was deemed to not be "city building in the end". At its kernel, the model calls for ratepayers to only pay for the services they use. City Treasurer Roberto Rossini characterizes it as "vague" and signals that it would take six months to study. Nonetheless, council votes to serve it up to Rossini and staff, to study and report back on. Rossini and staff will be busy, we're sure.

And, as to be expected, there are already some councillors who support examining the Chambers' proposal, while others maintain that it undermines the work of the citizen's forum and can result in significant delays.

As a side note, John Dolbec is moving on to a new position as President and CEO of Trans Hub Ontario. We wish John well- he has always been very responsive to The Hamiltonian. It seems he knows how to go out with a bang ;-).


So, what do you think? Should be be considering the Chambers' proposal, even though ti was rejected by the Citizen's Forum? 



Update: John Dolbec's email to The Mayor, Councillors and others:



" Your Worship & All Councillors (& others): 

Thank you last night for allowing our joint Chamber delegation to present our concerns with respect to the Citizen's Forum Report.

As we mentioned last night, our focus was on where we differed from their recommendations; but they have have indeed done good work, and while we have fundamental differences of view, we may not be as far apart in terms of the details as it may seem at first glance.

In any event, while we have circulated that attached documents to previous Council, attached as a reminder, are the final version of our joint official public policy position statements on these issues that were issued in 2009 & 2010 respectively.

Our joint position has remained fundamentally unchanged from these docs.

If you do indeed elect to proceed with active consideration of our proposals (I.e. a "Service Rating" system); should you desire it, we will be delighted to place our collective resources at the City's disposal to help flesh the badly needed details; e.g. our volunteer task force has already collectively invested well in excess of 2,000 volunteer man-hours looking at this matter over the last 2 years.

This is a valuable resource that we think can help you look more closely at these important maters.

Further, we have the added resources of our approximately collective 2,700 individual members to potentially also bring to the table as may be required to assist.

Again thank you for your time & attention to this important matter - it is absolutely crucial, as we mentioned last night, that we, as a City, take the time to get this right!

Cheers!

John Dolbec, Chief Executive Officer 



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13 comments:

  1. Carpe DiemMarch 01, 2011

    Citizens Forum Report .... Dismissed by Council.....The area rating taxation report by ENGAGED CITIZENS from all 15 WARDS was dismissed by Council, what a waste of 1400 hours of volunteer time and $95,000 of consultants. SAD DAY for ENGAGED CITIZENS!!

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  2. Yves DubeauMarch 01, 2011

    Our councilors will do everything possible to possibly delay the obvious hot political potato. If I were a committee member I would be very disappointed in the reception received by councilors but should we be surprise. On one hand council has been looking for revenues by stretching in obtaining a "Rain " tax and now with an opportunity to obtain normal taxes from residents in paying their share the politics of the issue steps in and delays are introduced.

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  3. Hi Carpe,

    I can certainly understand your sentiments and I too am appalled that it cost $95,000.00 for what I thought was a volunteer board. Did the City really spend the entire amount?

    Your statement on "ENGAGED CITIZENS" from all 15 Wards is what tripped me:) From what I read in their 'profiles', only one mentioned 'rural' residency...

    To add to that (please don't shoot the messenger), there were many of us who advocated through a board...in my case the Flamborough Chamber of Commerce...I felt that they had a stronger voice representing myself, my mother and our family companies.

    I am extremely grateful that my voice was heard.

    I am willing to 'sacrifice' some of my hard earned dollars to help out our ENTIRE City, but currently, I pay for it privately ~ snow removal, lighting, fire pond maintenance, higher insurance (no fire hydrant), waste disposal (no garbage pick up), no bus route, wawawa :)

    Surely you can understand that asking more from me is simply too much. (And that is my business side, I reside in Dundas...wa again.)

    I support user fees and cannot understand why
    1) If a Ward 12 property abuts Ward 11 and is exactly the same, why can there not be a "service boundary"...In essence the same Councilor still is responsible for his Ward but some of the residents pay according to their service location. And then the homes that have partial services are rated based on the percentage of usage...So someone that is close to a fire hydrant yet has volunteer fire fighters pays say 60 % of what the full user would...someone with nothing pays 10% (because they still do need to support the service). I am just throwing out numbers and ideas that may possibly work. As services are expanded, then the percentage goes up. Surely in today’s tech world this could be properly managed...It may take a while to get up and running but hard work makes for better outcomes.

    I totally disagree that anyone should receive a decrease in taxes...IMHO ,that makes no sense to me. I would love one based on my lack of services yet as stated, understand that there is an entire City to think about.

    Another huge factor in this saga is our Assessed value of our property. MPAC assigns an amount and it is up to the property Owner to fight if they disagree...It took me 7 years of hell to have my assessment reduced and I still think that based on the Greenbelt designation and new zoning, it is too high. It makes no sense that my property's value goes up just because I am now a part of the City of Hamilton.

    The thing that upsets me the most about this entire saga is the fact that it has pitted Ward against Ward...I think it is time we unite and work together to solve our City's issues and challenge the Upper Government to get our tax dollars working for us at all levels.

    Have an awesome night everyone.

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  4. Another pure example that the councillors in Hamilton are out for one thing and one thing only. Their job, plain and simple. I do see one single rural councillor vote in favour for the better of the city. If the city implemented maximum terms on councillors we would have a group that actually would make decisions for the better of the entire city and not for just their ward. All councillors know that it is politicial suicide if they vote against their wards, and most of the councillors both new and old have not shown they can and will vote for the city when the chips are down. Area rating has been a huge issue for years, and the last council and now this council again cannot and will not make a final decision on this issue.Council needs to step up the plate, and make a decision that will move this city forward, by either keeping area rating as status quo, or implement recommendaitions based on the committees report, but do not put this city into another report. Who is paying for this report, oh this is right----the taxpayers again.

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  5. Carpe DiemMarch 01, 2011

    The Chambers of Commerce plan is "silly and impractical" Refer to:http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/495020--few-answers-in-tax-debate

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  6. This is going to be a mess because its an old political trick to pit one group against another. I have seen this happen in my area and the councilor here is a pro at it. So, you get people fighting and the politicians escape their accountability.

    Somewhere East

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  7. http://www.hamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyres/E9FA870C-5879-477D-8D5B-63FACF482365/0/Feb28EDRMS_n139499_v1_7_1__CM11004_Citizen_s_Forum.pdf

    Sorry if these did not copy properly...

    The above is the Citizen's forum recommendations. I very much appreciate their effort and my understanding was that they had a very specific mandate...I found it very simular to City Staffs proposal, and thought it would have had more suggestions.

    What caught my eye and concerned me was on page 28 #11 paragraph 4, closing sentence...
    "So, having been both a rural and urban dweller, in the amalgamated cities of Edmonton, Montreal, and Ottawa, I felt this hands-on experience in both worlds, would be of some value in determining the fairness of Area Rating, based on where people decide to live. I firmly believe, based on living in both worlds, that we choose our location based on our values, and should be prepared to accept the drawbacks of both areas."

    I am hopeful that this sentiment was put aside because unfortunately, us "oldies" (pre Amalgamation) did not pick the "drawbacks" that have caused such heartache...

    Below is the Chamber's recommendations...
    I find it hard to believe that we do not have data on the suburban and rural areas on what services are fully available or none at all.

    Surely, there are enough engaged Citizens that would volunteer to help the City figure it out.

    http://www.hamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyres/EF89038E-6A10-4199-8E34-9520E81B54C2/0/Feb28Addeditem2iEDRMS_n141079_v1_11010_Presentation__Area_Rating_Chamber_of_Commerce.pdf

    We need to think out of the box IMHO, because frankly, we are a unique City, and there is nothing wrong with that...Just because it has never been done, does not mean that we cannot do it and find a better solutiion.

    Time to work very hard to complete this amalgamation process...Let's work on it as a family with children of different ages...How we discipline a toddler is different than how we would discipline a teenager...Yet there are specific house rules that are in place for the entire family:)

    Have a great night everyone.

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  8. Hamiltonian AdminMarch 01, 2011

    Thanks Danya- we will put the link up on the top of this article

    Margaret

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  9. Don't Ask MeMarch 02, 2011

    This is very typical of how the city operates. They form these "citizen groups, CACs, study groups etc", they spend a whole bunch of money having meetings and making people believe that they will be heard, and then they proceed with whatever they want to do, regardless. There is no true citizen engagement in Hamilton, at least, not as far as I have seen. This is one of the many reasons why we will never turn any corners.

    Don't Ask Me

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  10. Yves DubeauMarch 02, 2011

    I suspect collusion between chamber of commerce and certain member of council. It is quite possible that the chamber of commerce was prompted to present a lame proposal that has no traction or espoused by any other municipalities which would require an inordinate amount of time from city staff to go through and microanalyze every part of the city and which of the services are being offered. Under the chamber's proposal you would only pay for services utilized. Let's start with myself, I have no children within the school board, hardly utilizes the roads and never rides the transit system or park and recreation. Under this proposal I am OK for paying for police, fire and garbage! Going back to the collusion issue, without an alternate proposal beside city staff proposal and the citizen's ( which mirrors city staff proposal) options council would be in a political jam of moving forward or having no other option on the table. Dolbec has now left the house of the chamber as this proposal be his parting words, coincidence? I think not. It has been said that the proposal by the chamber was quite bare of details and no precedent and readily accepted by council for examination. How can we take council seriously and I for one is disapointed at council which not to long ago complained about people who do not pay their share and secondly at Bob Bratina for not dealing with this as a priority. What we will see is council avoiding to resolve this issue for the rest of this term. It was reported by Dreschel that the honorable councilor of Ancaster and Flamborough high fived
    each other after winning the vote on Monday. Dreschel said that this was a slap in the face of committee members I disagree, it was a slap to all of us who lives in the old city of Hamilton.

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  11. Carpe DiemMarch 02, 2011

    Unfortunately the Citizens Forum was used as "window dressing" to allow Council to state that the public was consulted. I will never be involved as a member of a citizens group; as I had a similar experience with HWDSB on elementary school closures.

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  12. Michelle HruschkaMarch 02, 2011

    Don't Ask Me: To have real and true citizen input, that has to come from the grassroots or if you like the bottom/up.

    The chamber only represents its members and then well who knows who is behind the scenes calling the shots.

    I guess if people spend more time researching into things, opposed to listening to ten second sound bits during election time, then maybe people would make better informed decisions.

    Apathy is no excuse, neither is saying life is too busy.

    My question is why do people keep voting for the same old political parties, if things never change?

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  13. Michelle

    The question why do we keep voting in the same people is an excellent question and one Candidate for Ward 13 Danya and I tried to understand..in this past local elections.

    I personally still question the integrity of the voting machines for one reason.. there probably are several.

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