Thursday, September 6, 2012

"Off the Table?"


Gary Santucci did a masterful job of presenting his delegation's concerns at GIC today, with respect  to the Hamilton Waterfront Trust (HWT). Gary tried  to keep the focus on the broader issues of governance and oversight.

The soft spoken Santucci remained calm and focused as he fielded questions that sometimes sounded like challenges. Clr. Clark asked Santucci what his background in accounting was and queried the delegation's request for a forensic accounting. Gary seemed to handle these questions with ease.

Clr. Whitehead asked whether Santucci had a grasp of the mandate of the HWT, suggesting that the HWT was not focused on making profit, as per their non profit mandate. Santucci again handled the question aptly.

Clr. Ferguson conceded that he never received a clear answer to questions he had with respect to HWT's GST remittance issues, but said that he conversed with Roberto Rossini who had staff assess the situation. As the Clr. was told that there is nothing that can be done at this point about the matter, he was prepared to move beyond it. 

Perhaps the most interesting exchange was between Clr. Merulla and Santucci. The Clr. attempted to systematically address, challenge or dismiss the delegation's stated concerns (which were detailed in a slide deck). Merulla often called on the help of city staff to answer related questions.  As Merulla spoke to most components of the expressed concerns, he concluded by stating "So, that's off the table" 

However, it is not clear that all or any of Merulla's responses were satisfactory. For example when speaking about a number of years that financials were not submitted, Merulla noted that the missing years of financials were eventually remitted and thus the matter, according to Merulla, was "off the table". Merulla's position however seemed to gloss over the years of financials not being submitted in a timely manner, and the significance of that. In the context of Santucci's focus on oversight and accountability, Merulla's argument seemed to miss the mark.

Clr. Farr almost sounded as though he was in cross examination mode, when he asked Santucci whether he thought there was any fraud in play at the HWT. Santucci was surprised by the question, as nowhere in his submission did any such allegation appear. Nonetheless, Clr. Farr pressed for an answer to which Santucci answered, regardless of its seeming  inappropriateness to the delegation- which Santucci signalled. 

Following the delegation, the HWT made a presentation as to what they have achieved.  Santucci noted that noone  has suggested that the HWT did not make progress or that the changes at the waterfront are not adding value. The questions is, and seems to remain, one of oversight and accountability . 

The Hamiltonian strongly suggests that our readers view the GIC session first hand, so as to make their own judgment as how this delegation was handled by council members of GIC.   It should appear on this page : click here 

19 comments:

  1. This was sad. Its a great example of why we need a brand new council. GS was being attacked and clearly it came across as rehearsed. Yes. watch the video once it is up and see what happens to conscientious citizens who take the time to try to get answers. They get slapped around. Pitiful!

    New councilors please!

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  2. I was dissapointed in Counselor Partridge. She cut Terry Whitehead off unfairly and then she nearly applauded when Merulla did his thing. The whole thing was like the Tiny Talent Show. I feel bad for Mayor Bratina having to put up with this and for Gary Santucci and his delegation.

    Somerfield

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  3. City Manager Chris Murray should instruct his staff not cross a certain line.

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  4. It was a little strange being in Council Chambers watching all this unfold, being able to take in the expressions of Councillors and Mr. Santucci away from the 'action'.

    I understood what Councillor Merulla was getting at in dealing with each point; I think he accomplished his goal, right or wrong.

    I appreciated Mr. Rossini's contributions towards clarity, even if the answers weren't satisfactory to some.

    However, what I most came away with was the clear limitation of the 'delegation presentation'; it's essentially a one-way process. That is, the delegate presents their 5-minute piece, they're questioned by whomever on Council feels inclined to...and that's it. There is no opportunity for the presenter to ask questions of Council or City Staff. None. So it's a one-way, very controlled process, one that I've seen executed on numerous occasions, with the end result being, I'm sorry to say, 'damage-control' on the part of Council.

    Here then, is a weakness in our governance system. (And I say this as opposed to calling for replacements at the next election because a) statistically, that ain't gonna happen, and b) this is a systemic, cultural tendency.) There is nothing currently available to get answers from Councillors on the record. (Certainly not via social media.) There is no opportunity for real, authentic debate. Instead, we have a system where people are 'allowed' to do presentations...at the Council's leisure and according to their rules...and then be subject to deconstruction and defusing, and in the end, dismissal. I saw it here, I saw it with ward boundary review, and I've pretty much seen it in all situations that aren't predicated on benefits to the city, but are critical of the status quo in one regard or another.

    There was a real sense of 'victory' on the parts of many on Council when Mr. Santucci's presentation had been concluded. I have no opinion on the issue of whether or not everything has been kosher at the HWT, or that the organization's goings-on currently pass muster. But it is distressing to witness this element of our governance...with near high-fives being generated once the ordeal was over.

    Oh, and I still detest the comical and absurd 'Through you, Madame Deputy-Mayor' schtick. Surely to God someone realizes how self-aggrandizing this tradition appears. Oh; maybe they don't.

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    1. Great comments and observations. The delegation process is a process that ties your hands. It is pretty much a waste of time. I am not impressed with it and I think some showed their colours today. People need to vote some people out. imho

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    2. You are absolutely right!! Bratina threw his allies under the bus and didn't try to defend them. Obviously we need a mayor that has the courage to stand up in public about what he says and believes in private. I met with him and I know he feels the way I do but he didn't say a word. He simply hid his head. Wow I'm so disturbed.

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    3. I agree with your comments with respect to the ineffectiveness of delegations. I can't imagine people taking time out of their day to be subjected to this. I have seen plenty of delegations get shut down. And the tone of the councillors is often times an elitist one. Councilors are just ordinary people, many times, of less than average capability, who have been "elected" (grin) to lead our city. Respect is due because of their role, but deference of divine nature is a little rich. I think they need to get off their high horses. I don't know Gary Santucci but I admoire what he is trying to do on a number of fronts. I plan to watch the video feed of the meeting and will have more comments then.
      Sorce

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    4. Larry MarshallSeptember 07, 2012

      When watching this, I noticed an immediate change in demeanor with council when Mr. Santucci was called to present. It was like watching a tag team of attack. Very odd, and very unprofessional. I thought Mr. Santucci handled himself with class. I read in the media today the councillors critizing Santucci for leaving following his presentation, during the WFT presentation. I would have left too. The WFT presentation was an obvious fluff added to the agenda to help make bandaid what Mr. Santucci disclosed. Very bad display of character and antics by council yesterday - the Mayor excluded.

      Larry

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  5. Does anyone have a video copy of this meeting? It seems to have been taken down for some reason.

    This is the message I got on the webpage at:
    http://hamilton.siretechnologies.com/sirepub/mtgviewer.aspx?meetid=287&doctype=AGENDA

    "The resource you are looking for has been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable."

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    1. I can't get to it either. Why was it taken down? Was the meeting that bad?

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  6. The shamble needs to be exposed. I just watched the live feed. It was an obvious set up. Watch carefully folks. Judy P. (chair for the GIC mtg) cuts Terry W. off but allows Sam M. exhausting time to go through Gary's entire presentation and pick it apart peice by piece. This was like watching a bad rehersed play. It was obviously rehersed. Gary was lured into bash fest. The line of questioning were an attack, and provided the tax payers with no assurances that they took this seriously. I guess it's ok for the city to sweep things under the rug and waste thousands of dollars of taxpayers money if they are not caught doing it until years later. "The ship has sailed", so let's move on Loyd F. said a few times. And it's ok that the WFT did not submit their accounting for 5 years because they were new. NO, that's not ok either. the WFT could have easily gone back and fudged the books. Come on folks, this is why we have accounting rules and principals. If there is nothing to hide, there should have been books filed on time. Councillors need to be responsible and ensure accountability for every penny they recieve from tax payers. Just because some time has lasped, it does NOT make it all go away.

    This is FAR from being "off the table". I for one would completely support a forensic audit. I would like to know about how contracts were awarded and if they too followed protocol. NOPE! I would like to know why the WFT no longer holds Wingfest. Heard some fishy stuff about this too.

    For our council to be so disrespectful towards a concerned taxpayer representing many, they are most likely trying to cover their butts. They way they tried to dismiss this delegation, attack the presenter, and lack of clarity and transparency with respect to questions being asked about the WFT over these past sevearal months have raised more concern for me. THIS IS NOT OFF THE TABLE. I hope taxpayers/voters remember this come election time. The old boys club needs to be broken up. Our city is suffering because their bad behaviour.

    Lisa B.

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  7. I feel for Gary, getting the fifth degree from council. We all recall the trouble he had getting By-law off his back for running a theatre. Perhaps this is why council members reacted so badly. The whole ghastly discussion was started by disgruntled ex-employees with an axe to grind. The Bay Observer delivered their message, and still is, with their lates posting on the HWT. I just got off the phone with Werner Plessl, things are looking up, and the HWT will break even this year, which means they will not be asking taxpayers for a bail-out or a grant. They have never done this in the past either. The only money they have been spending is their own, leveraged from the original settlement with the Harbor Commissioners. Granted, taxpayers invested some money in a small number of projects (Lakeland Pool), not unlike what they do with other charities, they get a Community Grant. Beauty is, we own everything the HWT has created, how much is that worth, I say priceless? I'm surprised more Councilors aren't Calling out the Bay Observer for publishing distorted, inacurate information that set off this sad state of affairs. If it was the Spectator doing it, there would be outrage, correction notices published.

    On a lighter note, I turned 55 today, life is good. May head down to the Harbor to ride on the Trolly, like my Son Logan used to like doing, when he was alive and kicking, it was wheelchair accessible. Then grab a coffee at Williams.

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  8. Mark Alan Whittle saying the only money they've spent is their own from the original settlement is a complete incorrect.

    Please see #7 Project Receipts of the 2006 Financial Statements, bit.ly/Qjp2I7 clearly outlining almost $2.5M and $2.8M received from outside sources (including the City of Hamilton) in 2006 and 2005 alone.

    I believe you should retract your statement.

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  9. I just spent time that I can't get back, watching this fiasco. It was so wrong on so many levels.

    It was a bad dress rehearsal for a play that would tank the hour it is released. The staged Q/A's with Werner were awful. The attacks on Santucci were pitiful and Gary held his own. I think these GIC councilors, the ones who spoke, should be embarrassed.

    I was very annoyed at Judi Partridge's performance as chair. She was critical of Gary leaving (wopuld you stay?) and acted as a cheer squad for Merulla at other times. She criticizes Santucci for leaving but watch the camera. There are many times where councillors left and thus had no quoruum. Why didn't Judi not identify that? S

    This is a great case study of everything that is wrong with Hamilton. Grab some popcorn, watch the entertainment and then ask yourself if Mr. Santucci got the respect that he so deserved.

    Hats off to Gary for being so classy in the face of such unprofessionalism.

    To Clr. Farr- don't go into law.
    Sorce

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  10. Thanks for the honest write up. After watching the recording, I can't believe that anyone would find the way this was handled by GIC as acceptable. I got suspicious when the councilors got so defensive and when they spoon fed the HWT. I think yourselves and C H ML did a honest job of reporting.I read the other "stuff" from other sources. its no wonder they are spiraling downwards.

    keep being an honest alternative.

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  11. Clr. Whitehead"The mandate was not focused on making a profit as per their non profit mandate".Nice try Terry at more misdirection and concealment.All that is really being asked is where did all that money go?So is a straight answer in order? Apparently not! A tip of the hat with total respect to Mr.Santucci

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  12. The other morning I sat in chambers to watch council, I knew no one who was presenting that day. Everything was going along very pleasant until a Mr. Santucci took the floor. I found it very interesting to watch the the atmosphere of the whole room change. The deputy mayor went from being June Cleaver and turned into the ice queen right before my eyes.

    Councillors Collins and Merulla reminded me of the jocks in school who thought they were winning something slapping each other on the back, the only thing they didn't do was high five each other every time Merulla
    waved his arm gleefully with "that's off the table", again kind of reminding me of the children story line "Off with their head's"

    I felt for Mr. Santucci who was being treated with such malice. Mr Santucci was representing the taxpayers and where their tax dollars were going, which as a citizen of a free country it is your duty to keep YOUR government in check.

    The thought anyone is against the waterfront is ridiculous and this was one of the smoke screens council tried to use. From where I sat the question was simple what happened to the money, a fair enough question,
    one any taxpayer should be allowed to ask.
    Council was quite ready for Mr. Santucci.

    At one point councillor Farr tried to bully him into answering a question and the deputy mayor was fawning over what a good job councillor Merulla was doing every time he said "That's off the table". No doubt Mr, Santucci must have felt out numbered, except Mr. Santucci was unshakeable in a calm, eloquent way he stood there taking this nonsense. What a great representative for the taxpayer.

    Next came the man from the waterfront trails. The room went from ice cold to a lovefest. The deputy mayor greeted him by first name, she and rest of concil only used his first name and were thrilled he was there,
    at one point I thought hugging was going to break out. After this man's presentation council got ready to ask him some questions, councillor Jackson and the deputy mayor were in some banter, no questions had been
    asked yet, when I turned to watch the gentleman from the waterfront pick up his prepared papers and flip thru them and land on this sheet that I could see had three columns of what looked like figures on it. Then councillor Jackson asked his question, what I found interesting was the man from the waterfront read his answer off that sheet he had turned to before being asked, coincidence?
    After this the man from the waterfront broke down, I still can not figure why. He was asked a question started rifiling thru his papers the next thing I knew he was crying and councillor Jackson was comforting him, some pretty spectacular drama.

    A Mr. Rossini was asked about a bathroom that the city was billed some stupid amount like $600,000. When Mr. Rossini replied he to waved his arm and very calmly said well a bunch of things were lumped together(apparently he did not even have this answer months ago) It took
    everything I had not to laugh out loud. My friends that are accountants would have been horrified to hear someone who is representing the city seemed to be ok with things being lumped together-how dare they- in accounting everything has to be itemized and in a charity everything is to be itemized and transparent.

    Mr. Santuci then left I could not blame him. I too left shortly after that, my BULL quota had been filled for the day oh who am I kidding it was filled for the week!Just an observer

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    1. Thanks for the detailed account of what you observed. I of course had to watch the video and agree with what you wrote. WOW! Council did turn ice cold during Mr. Santucci's presentation and then warmed up like melted butter when the waterfront trust guy took the floor. I found the behaviours of many of the councillors very disturbing. Great summary of a very interesting meeting.

      Can't wait for the sequel.

      Manny

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  13. I just read the sequel on the link to The Bay Observer. I encourage everyone to do the same. My jaw dropped. How can these guys get away with this. Why hasn't the integrity commissioner stepped in. The conflcts of intersts is mind boggling. Seriously, this cannot be swept under the table. This is wrong from every angle.

    Len Blake

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