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Wednesday, May 27, 2015

Motions in Motion

Whereas, the Province of Ontario has just announced that the City of Hamilton will receive LRT funding that will see the B-Line run from McMaster University through downtown Hamilton to Queenston Circle, Ward 4, East Hamilton and;

Whereas, the LRT will connect directly to the new West Harbour GO Station, which is now under construction, and protect for a future, high-order pedestrian connection to the Hamilton Centre GO Station and;

Whereas, procurement for the LRT will start in 2017, with construction starting in 2019 and;

Whereas, the province will extend GO rail service on the Lakeshore West line from the West Harbour GO Station at James Street North to a new GO station at Centennial Parkway in eastern Hamilton, with construction is expected to begin in 2017, with completion in 2019 and;

Whereas this undertaking equates to over $1B in investment, including construction and;

Whereas this announcement and scope of work will affect significant regions of the entire City of Hamilton, specifically around the B-Line, and GO station(s);

Therefore be it resolved that:

1. The City Manager be directed to report back on creating an office to facilitate this work, one that will work closely with Metrolinx and;

2. That a sub-committee of Council be struck and that at minimum, the affected Councillors along the B-Line corridor be asked to participate on the sub-committee.


authored by Clr. Sam Merulla

33 comments:

  1. M Adrian BrassingtonMay 26, 2015

    I use transit daily.

    I want the appropriate, best transit solutions for Hamilton.

    I want only good things for the city.

    But I believe this LRT production has the potential to be-

    Well, horrible, cringe-making theatre.

    Good luck and Godspeed to us all.

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  2. AnonymousMay 26, 2015

    "But I believe this LRT production has the potential to be-Well, horrible, cringe-making theatre" any relevant thoughts or cogent points or just your usual fears and doubts?

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    1. M Adrian BrassingtonMay 27, 2015

      Absolutely. There are myriad aspects that have the potential to turn all this into theatre. Beyond the questions about what will happen if the subsequent government wants to nix the project for financial reasons, about the prospect of the selling off of public resources falling through and therefore LRT funding slowing to a tiny trickle, about the ins and outs of expropriation, about -almost guaranteed- cost-overruns, about failed construction completion goals, about the issue of what the actual operating costs will be, these factors that have the potential to produce the suggested theatre:

      -Where is the service yard going?
      -What will the Queenston Traffic Circle turnaround look like?
      -What will the eventual Eastgate Square terminus look like?
      -How will the Centennial Parkway GO station be connected to LRT? A shuttle to Eastgate, a bus to Queenston Traffic Circle station?
      -Will there eventually only be a shuttle service from Eastgate to the Queenston Traffic Circle station?
      -How will current transit needs be addressed in the interim, given that it will be years before ground is actually broken for the planned LRT and more after that before it’s actually ready for use?
      -How serious is Mayor Eisenberger about having a transit ‘Citizen Panel’, and what part will it play in the next phase of the LRT process?
      -Will we seeing genuine public consultation and conversation from here on in beyond this Citizen Panel?

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    2. Don't forget that as per our history, whenever there is a big project, council has a way of making it a circus. So, we now have a renewed football stadium in a residential neighbourhood. Nice.
      Sorce

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    3. M Adrian BrassingtonMay 27, 2015

      Sorce, indeed.

      'Snatching defeat from the arms of victory.'

      Granted, a good many of the potential chasms this effort may fall into will be outside the City's remit. Still, great leadership navigates such situations, providing focus and encouragement to stay the course successfully.

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    4. AnonymousMay 27, 2015

      ANY major improvement/expansion/overhaul/upgrade/rethink of ANY transit system ANYWHERE at ANYTIME has more questions than answers on day one. your frightened of the success of this project. why? because premier wynne and mayor fred didnt have a route schedule available for you at the press conference? when it was announced that people would fly to the moon, we didnt fret and worry hide under the bed cause we didnt know what they were going to serve for lunch in the canteen on launch.day. brave up.

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    5. Those are all very good questions that need to be addressed ,although they may already be under review by the current LRT panel . Expropriation is good point ! as each case would take up time in court and further push back the time needed to start construction...They better start expropriating property today inorder to reach the goals or time line that has been set out ,and that is taking into account that King and Main are the absolute final routes.

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    6. "ANY major improvement/expansion/overhaul/upgrade/rethink of ANY transit system ANYWHERE at ANYTIME has more questions than answers on day one. your frightened of the success of this project. why? because premier wynne and mayor fred didnt have a route schedule available for you at the press conference? when it was announced that people would fly to the moon, we didnt fret and worry hide under the bed cause we didnt know what they were going to serve for lunch in the canteen on launch.day. brave up"

      It's a great post, excepts it ignores the fact that lour track record on pulling off the big stuff is dismal. In fact, we apparantly can't even get people to show up to worek, and a survey revealed that many staff feel that they have to compromise their ethics on the job. Sound like s recipe for success to you? Brave up and get real about the real problems this city has.
      Sorce

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    7. AnonymousMay 28, 2015

      im aware of Hamiltons challenges. this project, like ALL others,will be over budget and completed behind schedule. thats a given. there will be blood. as there would be blood if the we choose the status quo, or brt, or more buses, or dedicated transit lanes or a fleet of horse and buggy. change is messy. the status quo is messier. end of story.

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    1. Hamiltonian AdminMay 27, 2015

      Mr. Graydon.... your post appears to be a link from your desktop computer. It will not work, as it does not appear to be an internet link.

      The Hamiltonian Admin

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    2. Sorry
      I thought the print associated with that post would have shown, I have had my opinion on LRT from the very first all candidates meeting held at the Hamilton convention centre during that debate the issue of LRT was raised and questions were asked about how each candidate for mayor thought about LRT..at that time "it was very early stages and difficult to answer as it seemed a moving target".It is documented by many sources that I was the only candidate for mayor that stated concern for the city during the construction period ... this can not be disputed and is factual and without question accurate. This does not mean much other than the fact that my perception of possible problems would be revised by others in the future, as it is now by Fred only 5 years later..

      I believe LRT is a positive depending on the route but at the moment I am not impressed as I do not think it will achieve its goal on those routes. The goal of revitalizing Hamilton as a whole! and taking in how to best serve those areas that most need infrastructure up grades I would like readers to read The Hamiltonians piece called A note on CLR. Morelli a piece where I publicly stated my views on where LRT would be best served.
      I have not swayed from my opinion on this issue and still stand behind my comments to Bernie Morelli.

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  4. The Hamiltonian AdminMay 27, 2015

    We received a post on this thread that seemed to violate our rules about name calling etc. To that poster: we'd be happy to reconsider your post if it were re-phrased to be brought in line with our policies.

    Respectfully

    The Hamiltonian Admin

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    1. jim grahamMay 27, 2015

      that "seemed" to violate the code? How so, please be specific

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    2. Hamiltonian AdminMay 27, 2015

      Please email us at admin@thehamiltonian.info and we;'d happy to discuss.

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    3. jim grahamMay 27, 2015

      I would prefer you detail my transgressions here, in an open forum.Clearly you found something offensive, Kindly explain your position

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    4. Hamiltonian AdminMay 27, 2015

      The second and 4th lines.


      The Hamiltonian Admin.

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    5. jim grahamMay 28, 2015

      it is unfortunate that you chosen to deny my commenting privilege in such an arbitrary, subjective manner. Pointed commentary on my part-which you claim to encourage-has revealed a obvious bias. Disappointing.

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    6. @Jim. I have had my comments held back from time to time- usually when my friend Brassington and I are arguing and get a little over the top. I don't always agree, but I think TH has been pretty fair. Don't take it personally, even if you think you're right.Just some advice
      Sorce

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    7. jim grahamJune 04, 2015

      good advice Sorce (and free!) thank-you

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  5. AnonymousMay 27, 2015

    Here we go. Another office that we will pay for.

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  6. I don't have a lot of confidence that we will get the benefits we are anticipating. Unless, we have a sea change in council and at the senior levels in the bureaucracy.
    Sorce

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  7. Term Limits NowMay 27, 2015

    I do not understand Clr. Merulla's continuous flow of motions. I do respect the fact that he cares enough to do so, but the wide span of topics he inserts himself into, leaves a questionable impression. I also do not think he connects the damage done by outright calling the Premier a liar, with the ability to have a sense of credibility going forward. I respect his sense of interest, but I think there is a lot of maturing that needs to happen if he wants to be a sound politician.

    And aside from the merits of any long standing councillor, they should come to understand that even the most talented of people ( and I am not saying anything about talent), realize that their time has come and it is time to let someone else lead. Too much of anything is not good for you.
    Term Limits Now

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  8. AnonymousMay 27, 2015

    The councillor is asking for a office before the exisitng council approves the funding. Is this not the same councillor that voted no to the idea. Is he back tracking. It seems to me that he does a lot of nothing and just want to hear himself talk.

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  9. AnonymousMay 27, 2015

    IMHO, the following councillors have to go before the city can ever make any progress: Merulla, Collins, Jackson, Pearson, Johnson (Brenda and Ferguson. If these people remain in office, we are doomed.

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    1. M Adrian BrassingtonMay 27, 2015

      What you're suggesting in them 'having to go' is understandable, but unrealistic. There's a reason they're in office: their constituents vote them in. So these residents (at least the ones who vote) like how they conduct themselves at City Hall. So it's pretty clear that if you want Council to conduct itself according how you want Hamilton to move forward regarding LRT (and in regards to other issues), you really need to rally those wards' residents instead of kvetching about the Councillors. Just sayin'...

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    2. Term Limits NowMay 28, 2015

      You are both right, but it will take a lot of work to have them removed. Most people I speak to are completely disillusioned by the antics of city council. So, in a twisted way, it is their greatest asset. Show people over and over that you can't manage the business of the city, let alone dare I say lead, and people will just tune out. So many people I know say stuff like "I can't be bothered with those _____" or "it'll never change; they don;'t know what they are doing" etc.

      Ironically, this is the very sentiment that gets them re-elected. Because when the real people out there that should care, are so disillusioned that they won't anymore, the main people who come out and vote are those who would support the existing councillor even if that person did zip. And if you're a lifer councillor, you have developed a mass of these people to blindly support you because you know how to work them.

      So, the problem is much more severe than one thinks. If it was just a matter of telling people they need to vote intelligently, and they all did, we would not have this mess or this problem.

      Term Limits Now

      P.S. I agree with the list of councillors who we can do without.

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  10. AnonymousMay 28, 2015

    -What will the Queenston Traffic Circle turnaround look like?
    -What will the eventual Eastgate Square terminus look like?
    -How will the Centennial Parkway GO station be connected to LRT? A shuttle to Eastgate, a bus to Queenston Traffic Circle station?
    -Will there eventually only be a shuttle service from Eastgate to the Queenston Traffic Circle station?

    these are all stoney creek problems. if daily transit user bassington is fearfull that the creek is getting left out of the transit imporvments, HE should rally HIS neighbors and organize HIS area to find out what THEY want for transit and then lobby HIS councillor to make sure THEY arent left out. thats the bassington recipe for everyone else, right? thats page one of the bassington playbook, right? tell you what adrian, get the shopping list from the creekers, hash out what YOU and YOUR people need, and get back to us. by the by,dont neglect the price tag and prepare many of YOUR fellow creekers they will finally have to payTHEIR fair share for the hsr once these improvements are made for THEIR benefit.

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    1. M Adrian BrassingtonMay 28, 2015

      Wow. I think maybe someone had one bowl too many of Cranky Flakes. : )

      You make some fundamental assumptions in your response. Firstly, I don't live in Stoney Creek. Currently, I am not a 'Cricker'; I live in mid-town Hamilton, thankyouverymuch.

      Secondly, the questions I asked were not from the perspective of 'Hey! Are we Stoney Creekers going to get burned by this modified LRT plan? Are we going to get the short end of the stick?!?"

      They were mostly in reaction to the shift in emphasis in the new design from a decidedly objective vantage point.

      -I'm fascinated by what this Queenston Traffic Circle turnaround will look like. Given the makeup of the area, I've been trying to figure out how they'll make it work. I'm very familiar with the TTC Queen Street eastern turnaround in Toronto, so I have a rough idea of how much land's required for a single streetcar, not a multi-car LRT.

      -I've always proceeded with the assumption that the Eastgate Square terminal would be enhanced. Given that LRT is a step up in all regards, I assumed that there would be some massive re-thinking of the terminal. After all, it would be a terminal...as opposed to a station. With a Centennial Parkway GO station always looming in the background, it always made sense to have a great building at Centennial.

      -With the announcement of the change in terminus (Queenston Traffic Circle instead of Eastgate), and the clear emphasis on GO station linkups by the Province (Both the James Street North one as well as the Centennial Parkway one), I'm still scratching my head as to why they'd do it all this way. (Even understanding the aforementioned emphasis.) What it appears will happen is this, in order: Centennial GO station built, Queenston LRT built, Eastgate LRT built. So when people are using the Centennial GO station wanting to eventually get downtown, they're going to have to have a way of getting to Eastgate for a bus. Once the Queenston LRT is completed, the same person would have to get to Eastgate, and then presumably get a shuttle to Queenston. Once the extension to Eastgate has been built, that same person may or may not be getting on one LRT car to the downtown.

      -Once the Queenston LRT has been built, people from the Eastgate area...as well as those arriving at the terminal by way of 55, 55a, 58 and 44 buses...will have to get to Queenston, presumably by bus/shuttle.

      Thank you for the opportunity to clarify things for you. (And if you're ever up for having a coffee, let me know. Would be nice to have a proper discussion.)

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    2. "I am up for the coffee invite

      Send me a email at graydoninvestments@gmail

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  11. AnonymousMay 28, 2015

    The expropriation question will be interesting. Clark and Brenda Johnson and Pearson told the Winona community that the city does not expropriate for development reasons. Don't worry- nobody believed them.

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  12. AnonymousMay 28, 2015

    Who is the mayor of Hamilton again? Merulla or Esienberger?

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  13. That kind of reaction to what seemed really quit sane and reasonable is what is distracting people and their understanding of what might be the long term goal as far as design and routes and buildings that might be connected . I believe those questions were given thought. I am flying blind on the final design and" I really have no idea what size train this LRT is going to be ,or already planned ? and because I only have seen the mock ups on The Spec ..I am assuming it is like my old home town Calgary and similar to that model,If that is the same track size and roughly the same format they have in mind ,than I still believe Barton street is the best location to run LRT ! if they are the size of a GO train than" I guess we have no option but to let those monsters ride down King and Main " Am I way of base to think that nobody knows? So many questions ..and because the money in principal has been promised now, maybe the real work on design will begin.

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