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Monday, June 20, 2016

Hip?

The following email exchange is between Clrs. Green and Skelly with respect to a motion of Clr. Green that seeks to purchase public broadcast rights to live stream the Tragically Hips final show on Aug. 20th .

Whereas The Tragically Hip are perhaps the most Canadian Band of all time

And whereas front man Gord Downie is considered the voice of a generation

And whereas it has been announced that their final Man Machine Poem National concert night on Aug 20th is to be broadcast to the public on CBC television.

And whereas ticket scalping has made attending these concerts difficult for the local fans

Therefore be it resolved that staff urgently explore the feasibility of purchasing public broadcast rights to live stream the Tragically Hips final show on Aug. 20th at Gage Park or another suitable city owned location and report back on a cost recovery strategy for the lowest possible ticket price for the general public.


Dear Councillors. I understand your interest in webcasting the Tragically Hip concert but I must stress that I believe this is an area that council should not be delving into. Securing broadcast or multi platform rights for any concert or public event can be costly and should be left to the private sector. There is massive interest in the upcoming Tragically Hip concert. If it can be webcast I am sure other more experienced and more suitable companies / promoters are already exploring the options. We should not use taxpayers money asking staff to look into something that does not fall under our mandate. The CBC and private broadcast companies have the resources and experience to pursue such matters. I think we should leave it to the professionals. Regards Councillor Skelly


Councillor Skelly,

I’m already told that countless municipalities across the country are looking into doing the same given the circumstances of the Band and the deeply regarded band’s Canadian culture impact. In fact, it is my understanding that the Band is actually hopeful that the public can come together around this tour through the CBC Live Stream and their management team is open to working with interested partners.

Furthermore given that this is being streamed by the CBC which of course is a publicly funded broadcast corporation, it appears that government is already fully participating in this Nation building event and local partners have already indicated that it’s not all the complicated. You may remember the public screenings of the Pan Am Soccer games that were wildly popular last summer?

Having said all of that, the beautiful thing about our democracy is that you will have the opportunity to vote against the Public Interest of live streaming the last performance of The Tragically Hip.

Thank you for your advanced comments on the matter. My motion stands and I am hopeful to have broad support.



Councillor Green. I appreciate your comments but I stand by my earlier views. Clearly the recent developments have created a great deal of interest in the “Hips” upcoming series of concerts. Members of the private sector have already shown an interest in broadcasting and or webcasting the event. I am confident that our staff will work with any company or organization that comes forward with a plan to do so . Having said that I do not feel comfortable spending tax dollars “purchasing public broadcast rights to live stream the Tragically Hips final show.” Like you, I respect our democracy and look forward to voting on your motion. Respectfully Councillor Skelly

I am most interested in seconding this motion.‎ I would suspect it we will easily find an avenue to make this cost nutural (sponsors) and free to the public given the national interest. I would also welcome a "pass the hat" scenario during the live stream of the TV event, where all proceeds go to the Brain Tumour Foundation of Canada (or the charity of the Hips choosing).
JCF (Clr. Farr)


33 comments:

  1. AnonymousJune 20, 2016

    I think Green's motion is in inappropriate- full stop.

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  2. AnonymousJune 20, 2016

    Skelly is absolutely right. Not only is it not appropriate for tax money, but music is subjective.

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  3. AnonymousJune 20, 2016

    I really don't see much difference between what Matthew is proposing and the funds we spend locally giving taxpayer's $ to neighbourhoods for Movie Nights and the likes.
    We have so few opportunities to celebrate everything that is great about Canada and this is one of those times.
    Is Skelly really that formal with Green? Looks a bit elitist to me.

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  4. AnonymousJune 20, 2016

    Nice sentiment. Slippery slope . Don't do it

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    1. AnonymousJune 20, 2016

      Skelly: "We should not use taxpayers money asking staff to look into something that does not fall under our mandate."

      Like hockey arenas? Rec centres? Meeting halls? I take the councillor's point, and don't disagree, but this line in the sand is in itself a "slippery slope".

      Also becoming the Councillor's stock phrase.

      http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/city-approves-new-50m-poverty-plan-but-is-poverty-the-city-s-job-1.3566346

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    2. AnonymousJune 20, 2016

      "nanny state" is another favourite of hers.

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  5. AnonymousJune 20, 2016

    yet we subsidize all sorts of cultural events with taxpayer money, not enough imo, but thats another story. ironic that donna skelly, whose career was made with private broadcaster money wants the private broadcast industry to handle this. maybe she would take a leave of absence from council and host?

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  6. AnonymousJune 20, 2016

    Not a shock. Tories favour Nickelback. ;)

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  7. AnonymousJune 20, 2016

    With a song in their hearts, and cash on hand, Hamilton politicians agreed to make a bid to again host the annual Canadian Country Music Week in 2018.

    It will cost the city initially about $250,000 to put in a bid, with the Ontario government contributing another $750,000, said Sue Monarch, manager of Tourism Hamilton.

    But then the city will have to spend another $150,000 in 2018 when it hosts the popular event from Sept. 6 to 9, she said. Hamilton should expect to see an economic benefit of about $5.5 million from hosting the event. Those figures are based upon the numbers the city of Halifax received when it hosted the event in 2015.

    Hamilton did host the Canadian Country Music Awards in 2011. The 2016 awards are being held in London, Ontario, and Saskatoon, Saskatchewan is scheduled to play host in 2017.

    “If we don’t put the money in (to make a bid) we don’t look down the road,” said Monarch, who will be retiring from her position this year.

    Mountain councillor Donna Skelly supported the idea, saying country music is on the rise in popularity.

    “It’s a great opportunity for the city,” she said.


    flamboroughreview.com/news-story/6529133-hamilton-makes-bid-to-host-2018-canadian-country-music-week

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    1. AnonymousJune 20, 2016

      ",,,,but music is subjective." it appears so anonymous. seems councillor skelly likes BOTH types of music: country AND western

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  8. AnonymousJune 20, 2016

    and then theres the time union rep donna skelly wanted to use a federal government (taxpayers dollars) to run chch and compete with private broadcaters. "We can't wait for this. We have to intervene," Skelly said of the group's decision to take action. Skelly says the station is a perfect candidate for a new annual CRTC funding program designated for local news that would allow the group to go ahead with its plan. The recipients of the CRTC funding will be determined in April. Skelly said "We believe that we are the primary candidates for this fund. We are the only station in this market. We need this funding to survive." what will union rep skelly use the federal subsidy (tax dollars) for? "The new model would also allow for local businesses to purchase advertising at a greatly reduced rate. Currently, CH's ads are priced out of the market for most local organizations, Skelly said" got that. federal taxpayer money to save chch with a business model that uses the subsidies to undercut ad buys against private broadcasters. http://www.canadianthinker.com/2009/02/shes_a_darlin_1.html

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  9. I think Donna Skelly is right.

    Mr. Sarc

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    1. AnonymousJune 21, 2016

      what is she right about? evidence says she holds two contradictory view points simultaneously. she supports spending $400,000 in hamilton taxpayer money on a country and western music week. something a private sector free market entertainment corporation could do. when coumcillor skelly was private broadcaster skelly and union rep skelly she wanted to use undisclosed amounts of taxpayer dollars to purchase chch on behalf of her and her fellow chch employees and use those taxpayer dollars to COMPETE with the free market private sector corporations. NOW, councillor skelly says something the that is the exact opposite of her previously held, publicly voiced positions. so, again mr sarc, which of the two contradictory view points that she holds simultaneously on the same issue do you agree with?

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    2. of course she is, it is just that some feel she needs to learn "her place" on Council and keep her opinions "to herself". Glad you are feeling better Mr. Sarc, stay away from those Doctors!

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    3. Maybe you should ask her why she supported the other stuff. Maybe she had good reasons. I don't think you should be quick to judge that. On this particular issue though, she is dead right.

      Mr. Sarc

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    4. At Mr >Graham. Thank-you. Been too long.

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  10. AnonymousJune 21, 2016

    Is it worth asking how the media got looped into this particular email exchange (which might flavour how readers perceive/receive the positions therein), or should we simply ask why our councillors habitually seem to debate each other via cc:d conversations that (whoops) wind up in the media? Is it just a case of trying to be economical with the agenda and avoid running up the clock in council chambers?

    Smithee

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  11. The circumstances around the hip are sad. I thought it takes a lot of courage to perform while knowing the situation. Having said that, I agree with Clr. Skelly. This is not something council should be involved in.
    Sorce

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  12. AnonymousJune 21, 2016

    she supports using our tax dollars to run a business and compete with private business. she supports using tax dollars for country music events. she doesnt support using taxdollars for tragically hip. these positions contradict each other. which of her two contrary positions she holds at the same time do you support?

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  13. Its on TV so why are there rights to purchase? Seriously why spend money on something everyone already has access to?

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  14. a union rep looking out for her members-who does this woman think she is? a woman familiar with the very different roles and responsibilities of a member of parliament versus a ward councilor. Why it is as different as red and orange, one would have to be grinding an axe to compare the two. Unless of course...

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    1. AnonymousJune 21, 2016

      "a union rep looking out for her members.." no problem with that, in fact no problem with the proposed tax dollars supporting chch. great idea. i also have no problem with $400,000 in tax dollars being used to bring a c 6 w fest to town. public investments in arts and music provide a financial return to taxpayers AND help make the city a more vibrant exciting place to live and visit. so i have no problem with tax payer money being spent on arts and media , like the streaming of the hip concert in gage park. councillor skellys stated views on tax dollars not being spent on arts and media that would better be left to the private sector is what she feels is right SOMETIMES. when is the use of public tax dollars to subsidize a media source acceptable? well we know for sure shes in favour of it when she personally benefits from it with a government funded bailout of her job. the phrase situational ethics comes to mind. hypocrisy comes to mind.

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    2. it appears your 'problem' starts when you disagree with the position of others. It is unclear where your 'problem' ends.

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    3. AnonymousJune 22, 2016

      i agree with her the first two times she was right then. i disagree with her this time because shes wrong. the problem i have with her is her blatant and shameless hypocrisy.

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    4. AnonymousJune 22, 2016

      come to think, jims perfect politician.

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  15. As I said, Skelly is right in this matter.
    Sorce

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    1. AnonymousJune 22, 2016

      your counsel is ignored once again im afraid. every hamilton city council member (except councillor skelly) just voted to explore the idea further. too bad we wont be able to take the lrt to gage park. yet.

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    2. 85% of those polled at the Spec feel that motions such as these equate to "grandstanding" on the part of Councilors who could care less what the majority of Hamiltonian's feel about relevant current events. 85%

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    3. AnonymousJune 24, 2016

      so you dismiss every spec poll showing strong support for lrt in hamilton as "biased" or "rigged" or "fixed" you have said several times spec polls are worse than useless. so know you think the spec polls are good and fine and we should listen to the results. sure jim. sure. remember jim, keep is civil. theres very few places your are allowed to post comments. dont burn this bridge.

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  16. more nonsense absent fact from Mr.Link

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    1. AnonymousJune 26, 2016

      85% of the people polled dont run the city. city councillors and staffers do. councillor green greens motion is fantastic. and besides, i like it and everybody i talk to loves the idea so it must be good.

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  17. AnonymousJune 30, 2016

    https://www.hamilton.ca/attractions/tim-hortons-field/free-films-tim-hortons-field

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  18. AnonymousJuly 08, 2016

    and the city has approved councillor greens request to have the hips last concert streamed at gage park. councillor skelly still maintains the unnamed private sector forces were ready to do it. oh well. thanks to councillor green, hamilton will have a great time.

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