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Saturday, August 20, 2016

Mapping the Route

Special thanks to David Derybyshire,Corridor Engagement Coordinator Light Rail Transit | Transit Division | Public Works, for providing a copy of a publication that the city is handing out to those closely affected by the LRT route. Click here to have your copy.

18 comments:

  1. Got to love those pie in the sky renderings. I've seen so many renderings in Hamilton over the past 10 years, that they automatically tell me that it aint gonna happen.

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    1. The West Harbour GO station (which is likely to get all-day 2-way GO service in the 2020s instead of Hunter), actually is a relatively fancy-looking project.

      It completes in 2017 and gains some more trains next year (2017), with likely incremental expansions of service beyond that.

      Even UPX, which started slow and overpriced, is now very popular after the recent fare cut (Its subsidy per passenger has fallen dramatically -- less subsidy percentage than HSR and most of North America transit).

      It's a good thing that Metrolinx is funding this. It's a shame that it's taking longer than expected for all-day GO service to arrive, but huge amounts of GO construction is already well under way at multiple construction sites near Hamilton.

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    2. Re: West Harbour GO

      Metrolinx's plan, as recently as last year, was that the West Harbour GO station was only slated for weekday rush hour service by 2024, nothing more. And even the Hunter GO will see 1/2 to 1/4 the service levels of Aldershot GO. For anyone with access to a vehicle, Aldershot GO affords a faster run east, which is possibly why they're about to jump from roughly 1,700 parking spaces to around 2,600 next year. West Harbour now has, what, 48?

      http://www.metrolinx.com/en/regionalplanning/projectevaluation/benefitscases/GO_RER_Initial_Business_Case_Appendix_A-J_EN.pdf

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  2. and what does an "engagement coordinator" do with the feedback they receive from those along the route? Release a statement to the effect "some in favor, some opposed". That sure sounds scientific. Maybe a midnight visit from the mayor/sheriff of Corktown to those with concerns is being considered?

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  3. "Release a statement to the effect "some in favor, some opposed". That sure sounds scientific: heres one big scientific effect that the engagement co-ordinator has already accomplished: hes made some of anti lrts stop repeating one of their big falsehoods. the anti lrt crowd has been saying things like "NOBODY on king street wants lrt. NOBODY" and "100% of the people i know on king street hate the lrt" no one should have believed these statements before, im sure not many did. but i was always surprised at how many anti lrts started their tirades with some version of "everyone without exception on king street is anti lrt" without being called on it. on the rare occasions when the media would ask some anti lrt's "really? 100$ of business on king are opposed to lrt?" they would say "well, i havent done a scientific study of it, but maybe %99 against and %1 for" now people like jim have to start their anti lrt tirades with "sure, half the business on king support lrt, but half are against it" doesnt quite have the same power as "NOBODY LIKES LRT. EVERYONE HATES LRT" jim and his anti lrt gang are already having to correct their message

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    1. I find it very ironic that Hamilton seems to pride itself on "engagement". I never pay attention to engagement sessions, PICS, etc. because they are a tool for the city to do what it pleases. And they think they win these little venues, and they do in a way- but they lose the war. Having your fellow citizens lack confidence in your willingness to engage in an authentic way, is the death nail of any city.

      Don't get me started on consultants either. There is a reality there as well.
      Sorce

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    2. I suspect Derbyshire would have been thrilled to confirm Mayor Fred's assertion of a 20:1 ration demonstrating overwhelming support for the project if his survey results reinforced such a claim.
      This was your one chance to get off to a momentous start. Looks to me like you stumbled out of the gate.
      Do you anticipate support will improve as the net widens? Now counting on Ancaster and Binbrook to realize your vision? Irony of ironies.
      This comes as predicted, no surprise. Your frustration is rewarding.
      Go girl

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  4. "I suspect Derbyshire would have been thrilled to confirm Mayor Fred's assertion of a 20:1 ration demonstrating overwhelming support for the project" your position, up until mr derbyshire released initial reports, was that business along the proposed lrt corridor where united in their opposition to the coming lrt. havent you and your crew spent much energy here and on other forums talking up the "fact" that ALL the merchants and EVERY business along the proposed lrt corridor is against lrt, with few if any exceptions? well youre "facts" have been exposed as nonsense (again. whats funny is now that theres concrete data refuting your position (again) how you now claim victory because only some percentage of the business's along the lrt corridor are opposed to lrt. keep moving your goalpost jim.

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  5. "This was your one chance to get off to a momentous start. Looks to me like you stumbled out of the gate" well your claim up until last week was there was widespread and universal hatred and opposition to the lrt from all the business in ling. that has been exposed as falsehood. the pro lrt camps assertion all along is that support for lrt will not be universal, but dialogue and feedback will result in changes. the stops added at international village for example. the anti lrts lobbys claim has been total and unwavering opposition to lrt on king, and before that horse leaves the gate, it comes up lame. and like all lame horses it has been put down.

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    1. remember when mockorangemike discounted early opposition from venerable local institutions like Denninger's and the Black Forest Inn as isolated and irrelevant? When Gilbert's entered the fray he found it necessary to disparage the operation at every opportunity?
      Widespread and universal are competing concepts, and with your commentary a constant, the claim of universal hatred
      and opposition was directed at your activism, not the LRT.
      Now he is playing "Dr Pet Vet" and shooting horses. The hilarious house of mockorangemike

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    2. "remember when mockorangemike discounted early opposition from venerable local institutions like Denninger's and the Black Forest Inn as isolated and irrelevant?" they wont remember it cause it didnt happen. if you say it did, show your work.

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    3. still waiting for you to show us the proof of your earlier claim "remember when mockorangemike discounted early opposition from venerable local institutions like Denninger's and the Black Forest Inn as isolated and irrelevant?" since you say i posted that if your being honest you should be able to show, yea? no.

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  6. "Do you anticipate support will improve as the net widens? Now counting on Ancaster and Binbrook to realize your vision?" does mr derbyshire have plans to visit ancaster or binbrook? please show me his plnas. why would people in ancaster and binbrook have any say in the lrt? they dont live in the lrt service area? if people in ancaster or binbrook want a say, and i cant imagine why we would give them one, they can call their councillor. or they can go the various public forums already announced and scheduled.

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  7. All I can say is that if there any numbers tallied, make sure they are audited from collection to analysis by someone trutstworthy and independant. "Polling" people almost always mysteriously lines up with the city's position.

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  8. "remember when mockorangemike discounted early opposition from venerable local institutions like Denninger's and the Black Forest Inn as isolated and irrelevant?" even making stuff up jim gets it wrong. deningers for example. initially very supportive of lrt, with concerns and questions. then deningers was rightfully upset when ot looked like the international village was not getting an lrt stop. they were less supportive, very concerned and worried, and talked of dropping their support if their concerns werent addressed. noe there is an lrt stop in the international village. and guess what? deningers is now returned to being very supportive of the lrt, with some ongoing concerns and worries that they are addressing with the city. so to characterize deningers position on lrt as "opposed early" is clearly and demonstrably wrong. deningers is now back in the firmly pro lrt camp, never having really left, only ever making some movement to the door. another point you leave out.

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    1. still waiting? the image of Jack resting comfortably outside of the Overlook Hotel is inescapable. Yes.

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    2. still jawing about orangemike with your fams during dinner? scary to know you spend this much mental energy and emotion on me but what can you do.

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  9. "When Gilbert's entered the fray he found it necessary to disparage the operation at every opportunity?" disparage? wait i will look it up. "disparage: to speak of or treat slightingly; depreciate; belittle: disparage: to bring reproach or discredit upon; lower the estimation of" then yes i did. and if they persist with their anti lrt nonsense i will again. maybe jim can answer, whats with the illegal "anti" lrt flyers on a few of the poles around town? as a public service, we have been tearing down all illegal "anti" lrt flyer posted, and my daughter noticed somethin strange. the words "no lrt in hamilton" have a red circle and red slash through them. shouldnt it be "lrt in hamilton" and a red circle/slash? THAT would actually mean "no lrt in hamilton". the way it read now, the red circle/slash over "no lrt in hamilton" means YES to lrt. anyway, you should see the online petition "no lrt hamilton" many of the comments seem to be very pro lrt.

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