We suspect it won't feel this way to some, but arguably the critical approach to LRT from Clrs. such as Terry Whitehead and Donna Skelly, may have led to a LRT solution that better fits Hamilton. Most assuredly, without their interjections, LRT, if it proceeded, would have stopped at the traffic circle in its initial phase. Not many would doubt that ending at Eastgate Square makes greater sense. Of course, credit also has to go to Mayor Eisenberger who weathered the storm and kept at it. Without him, the project also would have failed.
But success is not yet assured. The Mayor himself, as quoted in The Spec warned that unless we all hold hands on this, it could turn into a gong show. Clr. Conley also continued to express his concerns.
For now, LRT lives another day and may end up being the success that some envision.
Your thoughts?
Sunday, April 30, 2017
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If councillors can learn from this episode and bring constructive debate forward more consistently — not merely to hear themselves talk or in a bid for media coverage — and embrace a progress-positive, solution-driven mindset in all that they do, the culture of City Hall and the civic life of the city as a whole will benefit immensely.
ReplyDeleteIf citizens can remain engaged in grassroots activation and continue to communicate clearly and respectfully with their elected representatives, then our democracy will flourish — not just on the occasional of pivotal votes, but year-round.
Sigma Cub
It was an amazing experience to see so many residents and businesses and organizations come together on a civic character defining project. It proved to me that cohesive resident and business participation in civic affairs can be productive.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Herman.
DeleteI also warned on another thread, as follows:
I still believe that this council is not up to the job of leading on this matter. they have proven it time and time again and most recently with a marathon meeting that led to more kicking of the can. I think the city will be somewhat sheltered from excessive costs through reasonable contractual provisions. But no contract will withstand indecision, unreasonableness, inaction, grandstanding, undermining and the list goes on. When that kicks in, and it will, we'll be bankrupt trying to tame it. And just wait if the streets start getting torn up and each councillor will try to kiss up to the electorate Can you imagine the nonsense? There are no leaders here. The only who comes close, is Whitehead and perhaps Eisenberger, but often times at cross purposes."
I still believe that LRT is a bad decision and it should have been BRT. I also think this is ripe for the circus act of our council and I am serious when i say that it could cause serious harm and embarrassment. I believe that we need to refresh the faces on council and certainly those who have been on council for more 1 term.
I wonder if the mayor may have read my comment before making his gong show comment.
Sorce
and when the streets start being ripped up and cars slowed down in support of this, the crap will hit the fan and people will start realizing that BRT was the better answer. But the tail continues to wag the dog.
DeleteSorce
FWIW, B-Line BRT would still require road reconstruction, would still run in a dedicated corridor, "operating predominantly in protected rights-of-way, separate from other traffic," and would carry operating costs estimated at twice as high as B-Line LRT.
DeleteHoros
http://conf.tac-atc.ca/english/annualconference/tac2011/docs/p1/balasundaram.pdf
http://www.metrolinx.com/thebigmove/en/glossary/
http://reports.strategicinterchange.ca/SI_A-Line_CBA.pdf
(see fig 9, p 26)
its a really bad plan rather than a catastrophic one. Gong show is almost assured because Metrolinx continues to withhold information and that contract we need to work out is going to be a very messy process
ReplyDeleteThe mayor best order a huge gong for council chambers.
ReplyDeleteAncaster Man
Hello Hamiltonian Admin,
ReplyDeleteI need more information to gain new perspective and better help understand the way other people think.
Anything you can provide to help me better understand your claim:
"...and Donna Skelly, may have led to a LRT solution that better fits Hamilton"
Thank you
Charles McGill
Councillor Skelly was a big part of the problem. That anyone would say "Donna Skelly, may have led to a LRT solution that better fits Hamilton" is unsupportable by fact.
DeleteMike Stark
Councilor Skelly voted to protect those existing HSR jobs.
DeleteFact.
Mike Stark believes rallying after the vote is more effective.
Fact.
"Councilor Skelly voted to protect those existing HSR jobs.
DeleteFact"
Prove it.
"Mike Stark believes rallying after the vote is more effective."
Meetings, strategizing, planning with ATU members starting last year. Youve seen the proof.
Disprove it.
jim graham doing nothing?
Status quo.
Mike Stark
10 to 5 Mike.
DeleteYou seem quite inconsistent in your support for these jobs. You appear confused as to who has done what to whom.
Easy to prove.
Did Councilor Green betray his pals at ATU when he voted to replace them with non-unionized outsiders?
DeleteIs Councilor Green negotiating with the Province in bad faith? Agreeing to terms he has no intentions of honouring? Immediately setting out to undermine the terms of the agreement he just supported?
Or just blowing smoke?
"Is Councilor Green negotiating with the Province in bad faith? Agreeing to terms he has no intentions of honouring?'
DeleteCouncillor Green can vote yes for every LRT motion. And he can support, organize, and if need be he can walk a picket line in support of ATU.
That is not bad faith. Its his job. And it creates zero conflict of interest.
Show us where procedurally Councillor Greens yes votes for LRT preclude him from helping organize ATU workers? Alas, you wont.
Mike Stark
I know I did not hear the words "ATU" or "lost union jobs" come out of Councillor Skellys mouth at Council vote. You cant prove it but youll keep repeating it.
DeleteI didnt see you mention ATU jobs until quite recently. Youve been too buzy with Councillor Skelly worrying over fabric swatches for the seats on the LRT.
10 to 5.
Mike Stark
Remember when jim grahams hero and style maven Councillor Skelly said HSR should think about putting bike racks on HSR buses?
DeleteAnd they had already been on for years.
Charles McGill
pretending to protect jobs he has just voted to eliminate is not only conflicted, but irresponsible and juvenile. The epitome of an individual incapable of defending their decisions, lacking in ethics and accountability.
Delete10 to 5
10 Councilors voted in favour of replacing existing unionized HSR staff with non-union outsiders.
5 voted against the plan.
Only Matthew Green has emerged from the scrum and announced through public relations staff that he intends to scuttle the deal just brokered, that his word means nothing.
When character could have been demonstrated, a flawed plan could have-should have-been challenged when all were present and with the cameras rolling.
Alas, Matthew clearly has others plans. Integrity replaced by double standard.
Great peak into how a certain type of mind process information.
DeleteThe only Hamilton City Councillor that has been working with the ATU to keep their jobs is demonized by jim graham.
Current Councillor Skelly, who when she was running for the Stehpen Harper Conservatives supported her leaders plans to privitize the LCBO and other Crown corporations. This is jim grahams labour hero.
Again, what was current Councillor Skellys main objection at Council vote to LRT?
Losing union jobs?
No. She was worried about how "ugly" the LRT would be.
And jim graham and the other jimmy have picked up the baton like good relay racers.
Mike Stark
the only Councilor to demonstrate such hypocrisy, such a double standard.
DeleteI vote to replace you.Can I march in your parade?
what was Councilors Green's main objection to privatizing union jobs?
DeleteNada? Nothing? Nowhere?
Where is his recorded objection to the proposal? Doesn't exist?
But he wants to march in the parade. That sounds meaningful. He votes to eliminate them, in order to demonstrate how much he cares. Quite a guy. Quite a plan. Leadership defined...in a culture of low expectations.
The list of things jim graham has said have happened but actually hasnt continues.
Delete"Only Matthew Green has emerged from the scrum and announced through public relations staff that he intends to scuttle the deal just brokered, that his word means nothing"
Not certain what crowd jim graham is playing to when he keeps inventing scenarios that havent actually happened. But hes consistent.
Mike Stark
"...pretending to protect jobs he has just voted to eliminate is not only conflicted, but irresponsible and juvenile."
DeleteIs there any language in the EA or MOU between Metrolinx and the City that says the LRT will be operated by non local ATU staff?
No. Of course not.
This is an opinion held by some without basis in fact. That jim graham shares this view is clear.
The fact that no vote has taken place that explicitly eliminates ATU union jobs in Hamilton is completely false.
This is an unknown factor today.
That Councillor Green has been working for over a year with the ATU to help keep ATU members as employees of the company that eventually operated LRT is clear. Anyone that can google properly can see his efforts and co operation with the ATU at multiple public events.
Thank you Councillor green on behalf of all working people.
Mike Stark
If you want to know Councillor Greens main objections to having ATU members loose their jobs you should come to the next public meeting.
DeleteThere was one in November 2016 where Councillor Green and Bob Kinnera and the ATU executive laid out their plans and strategy for helping members.
https://www.canadianinsider.com/media-advisory---hamilton-city-hall-rally-to-mark-the-110th-anniversary-of-1906-atu-hsr-strike
"At the Rally, Hamiltonians will also be uniting against the privatization of Ontario Hydro and key transit lines through Metrolinx"
Andrea Horwath, Leader Ontario New Democratic Part
Fred Hahn, President, CUPE Ontario
Bob Kinnear, President, ATU Ontario/Local 113
Smokey Thomas, President, OPSEU
Anthony Marco, President, Hamilton & District Labour Council
Matthew Green, Ward 3 Councillor, Hamilton City Council
You and Councillor Skelly should have been there. Lots of detail provided.
Since you were both buzy, you should contact the ATU or Councillor Green for more information. Many have.
Or you could have come to the pro LRT rally last motnh. Another chance for you to hear the ATU exec and Councillor Green talk about how they are working together to help ATU members and asking for help from the citizenry. Lots of detail provided.
Since you were both buzy, again, you should contact the ATU or Councillor Green for more information. Many have.
Heres an example of words spoken by Eric Tuck at the meeting with Councillor Green Andre Horvath and others. No Councilor Skelly though. And no jim graham
“Anyone who learns that a vote by Hamilton City Council could ultimately give up local control to bureaucrats at Metrolinx who have contracted out other transit lines becomes upset. LRT or BRT – it must be kept under local control through HSR and answerable to local transit riders through local elections,” says Eric Tuck, President of ATU 107.
Check out the relevant part:
“Anyone who learns that a vote by Hamilton City Council could ultimately give up local control.."
Ultimately.
The vote where this decision is to be made is in the future. Hasnt happened yet no matter how many times jim graham says it has.
The big question is what is jim graham and Councllor Skelly going to do starting to day to help ATU members.
Two public meetings in the last 10 months where the ATU and Councillor Green have asked for help.
Has jim graham or Councillor Skelly helped.
No.
Will they help?
Mike Stark
Again with the fantasies. Saying your concerned about ATU members is nice.
DeleteWhen you keep posting that a vote has taken place that eliminates their jobs your inventing stuff.
Mike Stark
in response to Councilor Jackson's concerns-Green did not express any-Paul Johnson replied it is "highly unlikely" the Province would even consider revisiting the issue of "operation" once the EA was passed.
DeletePublic record.
Green voted in favor of proceeding, without any recorded objections.
Voted in favor of proceeding with a plan which privatizes existing union labour.
This confuses Mr.Stark.
Because it is contradictory. Hypocritical. Cowardly. Irresponsible.
Imagine how ATU members feel. Betrayed. Humiliated. Disrespected.
"Leadership" as defined by Matthew Green.
Paul Johnson replied it is "highly unlikely" the Province would even consider revisiting the issue of "operation" once the EA was passed.
DeleteNot true.
Made up.
Show your source.
If it was true, it would be easy, but its not so you wont.
Mike Stark
The Bay Observer 9/21/16
Delete"..in answer to a question from mountain Councilor Tom Jackson, staff indicated it was highly unlikely the operation of the line would be entrusted to the HSR, meaning Hamilton might effectively have 2 transit operators"
And yet more self inflicted wounds from jim graham!
DeleteI think its great when the sources jim graham cite disprove jim graham talking points.
Where to start?
jimm grahams first lie.
First jim grahams made up paragraph that he created from scratch he used "Paul Johnson" name in vain. Now its anonymous "staff".
Whiff number one for jim graham
jim grahams second lie
In jim grahams fantasy made up paras, the ATU has a;ready lost their jobs. Yet in his sourcing, he shows this to be untrue.
Again "anonymous Staff" say its "unlikely the operation of the line would be entrusted to the HSR,"
Unlikely? So the ATU could still operate the LRT. Good.
Whiff number two for jim graham
jim grahams third lie
"..meaning Hamilton might effectively have 2 transit operators" Fine. Does this 100% guarantee that the LRT will be run by a non ATU operator? No. ATU could still run HSR, and ATU could run the LRT. Hamilton may have two different transit operators that are both ATU.
Whiff number three for jim graham.
Mike Stark
Folks. The conversation is once again degrading into undue personal comments. We are on the verge of shutting this thread down, should this continue.
Deletewe watched the exchange between Johnson and Jackson on Cable 14, Joey Coleman has it on video at the Public Record as well.
DeleteYou really appear desperate here Mike, grasping at strawmen,
according to you, someone at Metrolinx confirmed Graham's position (it was Johnson)
and your hero Mr Green-and 9 others-voted to accept the understanding.
And now you want the public to take confidence in the fact that you and Matthew are upset? That you intend to flail around making little noises after the fact?
Selfishness. Once we get our train, we'll fret over those jobs. Hypocritical cowards.
Allen Graham.
Anyone can say they saw what they saw.
DeleteOr say that they read it.
Ive heard Paul Johnson myself say its "unlikely" that the HSR will operate Hamiltons LRT. Thats not news. Thats public information.
Unlikely means unlikely.
Like in it hasnt happened yet.
Like the decision hasnt been made yet.
So we can all agree that Paul Johnson said its "unlikely" that the HSR will operate Hamiltons LRT.
Unlikely.
End stop.
Anyone saying the vote to accept the EA was a vote that has already caused ATU members in Hamilton to loose their jobs is misinformed or lying.
We should listen to what Eric Tuck says.
"Despite everything, we've heard I still don't believe the door is completely closed."
"Tuck said he remains hopeful a negotiated solution is possible with Metrolinx and the city to preserve a role for HSR and union members."
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/7261600-union-says-contract-forbids-privatized-hamilton-lrt-operation/
Eric Tuck is hopeful
The ATU is hopeful
Councilor Green is hopeful
Who is the only person with no hope?
jim graham.
jim graham has written off the ATU. To him, they are already dust. jim graham needs this to be true to help advance his narrative.
Mike Stark
my narrative is that real leadership would oppose such concern when afforded the opportunity...say like a vote on understanding.
Delete"Whoa...we have a problem here...I can not support this"
Not advance a selfish narrative at the expense of those affected, then confirm your weak will by publicly proclaiming support in order to defend such a betrayal.
Your pal inflicted a serious wound to the soul of union workers.Damage control, particularly your version-will exacerbate the situation.
Tuck and the ATU were betrayed.
Mr. Green and Stark are hopeful they forget.
They will not.
We have Rapid Ready Plan, Ten Year Transit Strategy and The BLAST Network. Council and staff have set real objectives and goals for what is needed to move people from A to Z and all points between on mass public transit. Voted for, approved, and built into every City budget for the next ten plus years. LRT is a big part of that but not the only part.
ReplyDeleteThe City has offices and departments existing or planned to use the building of Hamiltons Mass Transit System to promote responsible sustainable growth throughout the region. You want to live in the country? No problem. We will build %65 fewer klicks of road and %35 more klicks of dedicated mass transit infra to the burbs and rural areas.
Economic development, growth and rebirth for older aging neighborhoods means less strain on other areas of the region that are ready to grow. A new strong vibrant commercial and business sector in the Senior City means the Junior Cities are contributing less tax revenue to the city coffers. More money in the pocket of people in Flamborough or Binbrook.
Im very concerned that local ATU members that drive bus in Hamilton are going to loose their jobs to outside non union drivers. We wont let that happen. Hamilton was built by people like striking streetcar workers. Im not saying it will come to setting downtown on fire or killing anyone but I already know of planning for public awareness campaigns, rallys and demos against any tendering process that causes brothers, sisters or cousins in the ATU looking to loose their jobs. Same with maintenance and repair. Other cities have built contracts around the LRT operator and maintenance jobs being filled by local operators or at least union operators. No reason we cant do that.
One other important thing. When the whole research and planning and committee work started on LRT and mass rapid transit in Hamilton over ten years ago, it understandable that many peoples reaction was skepticism or disbelief. When the whole process started I know why many of my friends and associates were either incredulous or hostile.
But hundreds of people were working volunteering blood sweat and tears to have a chance at getting it done and getting it done right. For over a decade. They have been called "welfare bums" and hippies" and "professional agitators" and idealogues". Unkind and unfair and untrue. They just cared enough to show up.
Who ever thought they could do it?
I didnt at first.
We hear, wrongly I believe, that the planning stage of mass rapid transit in Hamilton was "hijacked" by "radical" with a "agenda" away from hard working "real" Hamiltonians. Not borne out by the facts.
The minutes and records of those volunteer research and planning teams that were advertised and open to every member of the public are available. It shows very few people cared enough to show up week after week after month after year to help. The public recruiting planning and information sessions were well advertised, many, held all over the city and at all different times. They were virtually empty.
When did the general public start paying attention and caring?
After the decisions were made, voted on, approved, and funded.
James Taylor TBC
James Taylor TBC
ReplyDeleteAfter the decisions were made, voted on, approved, and funded.
I see why many see that process as backward. I do to.
Where was everybodys attention and interest and passion when the hard work was being done?
Still, though much of the planning is complete there is still some left to do.
But as many say, the hard work is yet to come.
So it would be really great to see a whole bunch of new faces and some new views and fresh ideas at the coming rounds of meetings and negotiations around the LRT build. Theres lots of challenges, and all help is welcome. The concerns and worries that you may have about LRT are probably shared by all or different segments of the pro LRT groups and organizations. Come out and try and make it the best LRT for your neighbourhood or business or your disabled mom or your local heritage property. Whatever. Its not too late to have your ideas listened to and your concerns heard.
Just be aware these meetings and forums are not to talk about or discuss whether LRT is good bad or ugly or if BRT is better or if LRT should be delayed till whenever.
Just be aware these meetings and forums are not to talk about or discuss whether LRT is good bad or ugly or if BRT is better or if LRT should be delayed till whenever.
If people want to be involved in a dialogue and build the best transit system possible for Hamilton, they are welcome. There are many detail to work out. We can roll up our sleeves like Hamiltonians do.
James Taylor
"we wont let that happen."
ReplyDeleteYet you did. 10 years of planning. Not a single voice capable of looking past the ends of their noses.
"hey, who is going to drive these things?" Details, schmetails.
It was humorous watching as-cameras rolling and ATU and Labour Council reps at the podium-Green, Merulla, and Ferguson are suddenly quite concerned about those jobs as well. Not a peep from any of them prior to Jackson's illumination of the issue. Such irresponsible hypocrisy is galling.
So be aware you do not determine scope or breadth of future discussions.
Be aware you do not determine who is welcome.
Your conditional engagement is flatly rejected. In all other respects, I accept your invitation and look forward to working closely with you on the matter.
Cheers.
"So be aware you do not determine scope or breadth of future discussions"
DeleteThe future is unknown.
The past is not.
Mr jim graham has been fully left out of all past discussions regarding the matter. He has made no effort so he has exacted no influence nor made any impact.
10 to 5 mr jim graham.
Charles McGill
Mr jim graham has it wrong.
ReplyDeleteMatthew Green and many others have already been organizing and actively helping fight Metrolinx from using contracted out non-union labour on LRT lines in Hamilton and elsewhere.
https://www.canadianinsider.com/media-advisory---hamilton-city-hall-rally-to-mark-the-110th-anniversary-of-1906-atu-hsr-strike
"Amalgamated Transit Union (ATU) Local is holding a Rally at Hamilton City Hall to commemorate the 110th anniversary of a significant historical event in Hamilton's history – the 1906 HSR/ATU Transit Strike. At the Rally, Hamiltonians will also be uniting against the privatization of Ontario Hydro and key transit lines through Metrolinx."
Just one example.
We were there. Where were you?
Is Mr jim graham going to be forever on the sidelines commenting or will he ever come out and try and make a better Hamilton?
Again, other people have started the hard work of saving ATU jobs in Hamilton. Will mr jim graham be doing anything to help?
James Taylor
"we were there, we let this happen"
DeleteGreen was notified directly by Tuck well over a year ago with the ATU concerns, and you both sat on your hands and did nothing until the MOU was signed.
And now you are concerned?
Incompetence defined. Hypocrisy on display.
"Green was notified directly by Tuck well over a year ago with the ATU concerns, and you both sat on your hands and did nothing until the MOU was signed."
DeleteThe whole Donald Trump style of "Say something enough times even though its contradicted by the public record and maybe someone will beleive it" strategy of communication.
As shown by the above report dated November 2016, and other sources easily available online, Councillor Green and others have been working proactivley for a long time to ensure local ATU members are protected.
The ATU and Eric Tuck have worked very closely with Councillor Matthew Green for along time. That is public record. The ATU and Eric Tuck donated money to Councillor Greens election campaign. The ATU had a delegation at the pro LRT rally last month at City Hall.
The long time, long term efforts Councillor Green has made with the ATU and Eric Tuck are a matter of public record.
What has Mr jim graham done to help the ATU keep their jobs?
What will Mr jim graham do to help ATU members keep their jobs?
James Taylor
"So be aware you do not determine scope or breadth of future discussions"
ReplyDeleteThe future discussions that matter and that will determine real events will be about one thing and one thing only: building LRT, follow, the Rapid Ready Plan, actually start to execute the Ten Year Transit Strategy and get started on funding for The BLAST Network.
10 to 5.
Mike Stark
yes Matthew and Mike listened to Eric, listened to the delegation from ATU representatives plead for support, listened to Paul Johnson explain how a vote to proceed made it "highly unlikely" the Province would agree to even consider HSR operation, and Mr. Green was left with a decision.
DeleteDemonstrate leadership, character, defend the positions of his old pals at ATU, or
Selfishly advance a position opposed by a majority of Hamiltonian's which relinquished control of the route to non union outsiders.
Without any recorded reservations concerning his pals at the HSR, Mattie was all in.
Is this the value of those relationships? Sold out for a song and dance?
And then start caterwauling about his concern through a menagerie of anonymous and imaginary public relations staff?
This is sure to be effective. No doubt those labour reps will forget all about such a betrayal.
I look forward to the next photo-op with Green, McMeekin and the team from organized labour. That should be a scream, reserve me a seat for that one for sure.
See you soon.
"Selfishly advance a position opposed by a majority of Hamiltonian's"
DeleteWhen is jim graham going to stop trying to change history? Its quite Orwellian.
Heres a reminder of the ACTUAL results of LRT Poll:
40% support LRT, 12% undecided, 48% oppose.
The majority of Hamiltonians are NOT opposed to LRT.
mr jim graham can try and send the facts down a memory hole but it just wont work.
Oh and mr graham?
10 to 5.
Charles McGill
Jim Graham has a poor grasp of representative democracies and personality driven wedge politics.
Delete"Demonstrate leadership, character, defend the positions of his old pals at ATU, or..."
Councillor Green has done both. He knows LRT will be a huge benefit to his community that elected him. He knows LRT will be a huge boost to his city he live in has a business in and i raising a family in.
He is also trying to help the ATU members.
What are you going to do to help the ATU members Jim Graham?
Mike Stark
"he is also trying to help the ATU members"
DeleteBy voting to privatize and outsource their jobs? Given the relationship you describe, it really makes such a public betrayal difficult to understand.
And he refuses to address questions?
You have some explaining to do Mr.Green. Hiding out will only worsen the perceived slight.
Grow up, defend yourself.
Nancy
"Majority of polled residents oppose LRT"
DeleteHamilton Spectator, Andrew Dreschel, 4/17/17
Ruby Ignacio
Poll results were as follows:
Delete12% undecided
40% support
48% opposed
A majority of Hamiltonians are not against LRT.
As proven by:
http://globalnews.ca/news/3386159/nearly-half-of-hamiltonians-polled-disapprove-of-lrt-project/
"According to the poll, 48 per cent of respondents disapprove of the billion-dollar LRT plan for Hamilton while 40 per cent are in favour. Twelve per cent are undecided."
https://www.hamiltonnews.com/news-story/7247290-poll-finds-almost-half-of-hamiltonians-opposed-to-lrt-want-referendum/
"Just days before a critical vote on the LRT environmental progress report, the poll, released April 17, found that 48 per cent of Hamilton residents oppose the LRT, while 40 per cent support it. About 12 per cent of people were undecided about the project."
And from the very next para in the story from Andrew Dreschel you selectively quote from but for some reason dont link to:
http://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/7246987-dreschel-majority-of-polled-residents-oppose-lrt/
"Forty-eight per cent of respondents say they disapprove of the controversial project while 40 per cent are in favour of it.
The remaining 12 per cent are undecided."
Charles McGill
poor Charles, he can't accept the headlines at the Spec.
DeleteHe wrestles with what has been published at the CBC, the Bay Observer, Global News or recorded at the Public Record. Wrestles until pinned.
And words. Why do words have to mean something?
Charles wishes things were different. Wishes he were right. Charles finds reality problematic.
Sorry Charles
Ruby
"poor Charles, he can't accept the headlines at the Spec."
DeleteLooks like Charles has the ability to read beyond the headlines.
Seneca
Charles sees much, hears much, speaks much. Others have reality.
DeleteOneida
There were hundreds of people who sank with the Titanic.
ReplyDeleteAncaster Man
"There were hundreds of people who sank with the Titanic"
DeleteThe real question is for Ancaster man and many others is:
Why continue to be the iceberg?
Councillor Whitehead AND Councillor Collins made the right decision.
10 - 5.
If Ancaster Man and others want to continue to be allied with Councillor Donna "LRT will surely fail because the colour and design of the uniforms for the LRT operators looks absolutely dreeeadful" Skelly then go right ahead.
10-5
Mike Stark
Interesting thing regarding Mr jim grahams concern for ATU members, people with disabilities, seniors, cyclists, motorists, business owners, trees etc.
ReplyDeleteA Mr jim graham, that sounds identical to our Mr jim graham made a presentation to council last March 29 2017. Heres the link and pdf. Or go through the City website for that day, whichever.
http://hamilton.siretechnologies.com/sirepub/mtgviewer.aspx?meetid=1154&doctype=MINUTES
Seems a Mr jim Graham took time out of his busy day to make his concerns about LRT known to City Council. Availing himself of his democratic right to speak out on such an important subject is admirable. Mr jim Graham feels so strongly that LRT adversely affects so many different people and has so many negative impacts on so many disparate groups in Hamilton its hard to imaging how he used his valuable time at Council. Which hard hit vulnerable group did Mr jim graham advocate and speak out for?
The ATU? The disabled? Small business? The poor motorist?
No. None of the above.
He advocated for no one.
He took his time and praised Councillors Whitehead and Skelly work on LRT.
He took time to scold Councilor Green in particular .
Then he left.
Thats how a Mr jim graham uses valuable Council time.
Is that our Mr jim Graham?
Well jim?
Charles McGill
no.
ReplyDeleteWhere was your delegation? I am not aware of any comment-anywhere-from a Charles McGill, or Jim Taylor, Allen Graham, Mike Stark, Bob Ross, Ruby Ignacio, orangemike etc etc etc. ever expressing concern for any ATU member prior to the EA's recent acceptance. Or a Matthew Green for that matter.
Ever. Anywhere.
Until we pass the point of no return.
How is that for wholly ineffective hypocrisy? (good on you for playing to your strengths)
I may not understand "representative democracies and personality driven wedge politics" as good as you (I don't aspire to) but I know betrayal when I see it, and most recognize a very poorly conceived tactic to avoid responsibility and accountability.
Have no fear, those union reps looked like the forgiving type. Given your close working relations, they likely appreciated the public slap in the face. I am sure it will all blow over.
Please keep us all posted on your efforts in this respect. Do try and provide some advance notice of your next public gathering, I would really like to be there.
See you soon?
If only there was a way for the ATU to unionize new transit workers. Alas.
DeleteRimshot
The ATU delegation that spoke at the pro LRT rally could have used your help. The pro LRT community was there to show support of the ATU.
DeleteWhere were you?
Mike Stark
the pro LRT rally could have used a lot of help, and way more members. That ATU delegation must feel terribly betrayed by such selfish irresponsibility on the part of advocates.
DeleteI was there. I did nothing.
Allen Graham
"I am not aware of any comment-anywhere...ever expressing concern for any ATU member prior to the EA's recent acceptance. Or a Matthew Green for that matter".
ReplyDeleteYou were shown yesterday a rally in November of 2016 where Councillor Green was working with ATU to stop Metrolinx from using non ATU workers. Thats November 2016.
The EA east accepted last week.
Nice try.
Mike Stark
Mike Stark
your link provides a list of speakers, with Green as the opening act. That's all.
DeleteKind of light on specifics, like the part where he explains to his ATU brethren how he will be voting in favour of transferring the route to the ownership of non unionized outsiders. Where he explains how his loyalty to his supporters is contingent upon "personality driven wedge politics" I am sure that was well received at the rally.
Or did he lie through his teeth?
I am sure these guys will get over this betrayal, they certainly looked like the forgiving type.
Do us all a favour and keep us posted on upcoming events. I am really looking forward to the photo-op with Councilor Green, Minister McMeekin and their pals in organized labour. That should be a scream. I wouldn't want to miss that.
Is this your best effort at demonstrating when Mr. Green votes to eliminate your job, he actually has all of our best interests at heart?
Try again.
Why doesn't The Hamiltonian invite Green here?
DeleteThe Captain
We have and unfortunately, the Councillor has not replied to our invites.
DeleteThe Hamiltonian Admin
Probably because hes busy doing his job.
Deletehttp://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/7272421-d-amato-invited-to-walk-the-hammer-with-councillor/
This is how you a real politician deals with issues.
Councillor Green works with the ATU. As proven by his help to date with the ATU.
Councillor Green works to repair damaged relationships that are the result of his Council colleuges petty comments.
Councillor Green, builder of bridges.
Thank you for the hard work Councillor Green.
Mike Stark
Mr jim graham keeps posting.
Delete"I am really looking forward to the photo-op with Councilor Green, Minister McMeekin and their pals in organized labour. That should be a scream.
I wouldn't want to miss that."
Yet when it does happen Im sure you will miss it.
Then when youre told that it has happened you will deny it has happened.
The when the proof is presented to you that it did happen, you will ignore that proof.
Then when you have no choice but to admit that it has happened, you will try and minimize or dismiss it.
Mike Stark
"probably because hes busy doing his job"
Deleteover 2 dozen tweets between 9-3.
Too busy doing his "job"
That's why.
Its called keeping your constituents current on your efforts on their behalf. Twitter is used constantly by your heroes Councillor Whitehead Councillor Skelly.
Deletejim graham, regarding your "concern" for ATU members. Ive shown you Councillor Green has and is working with ATU.
At the ATU rally last November you were to buzy to attend, ATU members and executives and Councillor Green spoke at length about the efforts they have made and will make to save ATU jobs. Public record.
At the pro LRT rally last month you were too buzy to attend, ATU members and executives and Councillor Green spoke at length about the efforts they have made and will make to save ATU jobs. Public record.
Whats Councillors Whitehead and Skelly or MP Bratina done?
Whats jim graham done?
I would say "Keep up the efforts Jim" but... what effort has jim graham made?
Charles McGill
Thanks for the information. Counselor Green is my counselor so I will keep in mind that he doesn't reply to the Hamiltonian media. I am a little surprised because I think this is one of the best sites. Thanks for trying.
DeleteThe Captain
to be fair, the last time Councilor Green was featured here (the Selwyn Pieters interview)
DeleteJim Taylor/Charles McGill/Allen Graham/Mike Stark/Ruby Ignacio etc. etc. were still in self imposed asylum in their "dome of silence" so the cheering section was a little thin.
Support should be a little more "balanced" today, if not obsessive.
What is Mr. Green afraid of?
Captain,
DeleteHow many emails or phone calls or letters or visits has Captain Hamilton made to Councillor Green?
Well Captain?
You want to talk to your Councillor through the comment section of local blogs go ahead.
Or if you actually had something to say one would think you would simply let Councillor Green know.
Again Captain, have you ever contacted Councillor Green with any issue concern or anything?
If so, what was the result?
James taylor
Good morning all. Very nice out today. How did I become the enemy? No I have not called or emailed Mr. Green because I have no reason to. I live alone, am happy with my life and have no issues to call him about. I voted for him in the last election because I liked that he had good energy. I find it surprising that he would not reply to the invitations. That's all. And I do think it is part of his job to do that. I can say with truth that this site is one of the better ones in Hamilton. I have been to other places and this one wins hands down. So I don't understand why my Mr. Green is not here. That's all. These days everyone uses social media to communicate.
DeleteThe Captain
Sorry that i upset you Mr. Taylor by asking a simple question.
DeleteThe Captain
Mr. Taylor has been upset since emerging from his cone of silence. Speaking on behalf of his idol presents certain challenges.
DeleteThe parallel image of a certain Mr.Spicer is unavoidable.
Tough job.
Today, for now, at the moment, this is what Captain Hamilton says is true:
Delete"I live alone, am happy with my life and have no issues to call him about."
Yet Captain Hamilton posts this:
Captain Hamilton April 26, 2017
"I don't think this is a reliable solution. It may be a lure to get us to commit. Once the swork starts, it will be easy to say we can't go to Eastgate because this , that and the othe tthing. Ever watch Property Brothers? Soon as you start taking down a wall, the costly surprises arise and next thing you know, you're not getting the rec room"
The Captain
And this:
Captain Hamilton April 22, 2017
"I agree with La Bas that the key in ridership. I don't believe we have enough of it and I doubt it will increase. A lot of people still love their cars. I don't know if that will change"
The Captain
And this:
Captain Hamilton April 13, 2017
"As a kid, I'd line up for the ice cream truck.
Fact is, the Waterloo line is by no means a mature line. It is a new toy on the block. And our needs and environment is much different than theirs. Also, they don't have our city council.
Enough said i think"
The Captain
And this:
Captain Hamilton April 07, 2017
"I agree with Donna Skelly"
The Captain
And countless other posts along the same lines.
As is clear from the endless posts Captain Hamilton has left on The Hamiltonian, The Captain thinks LRT will be a giant failure leading to endless problems for the City and its people. There no end to the ways The Captain thinks LRT will doom us.
Yet The Captain claims steadfastly: "I have no issue to call him about"
By every and all accounts you have huge issues with the LRT. You post them routinely.
Yet you cant be bothered to contact your City Councillor about this major existential threat to Hamiltons existence because you "have no issues to call him about"
Yet you expect Councillor Green to take time to respond to comments on The Hamiltonian.
James Taylor
Mr. James Taylor. You must have a lot of time on your hands. Like I said everyone communicates on social media. I like this site. It would have been nice to see Mr. Green here. That's all I said. It's his choice obviously. It;s okay to say that isn't it?
DeleteThe Captain
You whinge. You complain. You mock. Yet you make no effort to fix what you see are major problems. And you think the problems would be solved if Councillor Green posted here?
DeleteThe Captain is part of the problem.
James Taylor
Just a reminder that will not publish comments when one is referred to by a name other than a proper name or a handle that they choose. This applies to reference to Councillors as well as anyone else. If you are going to refer to a councillor, the mayor or anyone else , please refer to them by their proper names.Otherwise your comment will not appear.
ReplyDeleteI am willing to keep an open mind now that it is going to Eastgate, but I still have many concerns and if we don't get the ridership, we're doa
ReplyDeleteThe Captain
Mr jim graham thinks were his personal organizer and scheduler.
ReplyDelete"Do try and provide some advance notice of your next public gathering, I would really like to be there."
"Do us all a favour and keep us posted on upcoming events"
Public events. Advertised well in advance. But Mr jim graham cant seem to ever make any actual effort to show up for anything. yet for some odd reason he expects his opnions to be heard and respected.
The majority have spoken.
10-5
The proverbial train has left the station Mr jim graham.
The LRT will be built. Without you.
Charles McGill
didn't think so....
Delete"too busy doing his job"
Deleteover a dozen tweets in the past 2 hours. Op/Ed article published in today's edition of the Spec.
Or concerned about facing questions of responsibility and accountability?
Too busy.
"over a dozen tweets in the past 2 hours"
DeleteYour yourself jim graham, Captain Hamilton, Sorce and others have all pointed out correctly that ALL politicians use social media to stay in contact with their constituents. No controversy, nothing to see there.
"Op/Ed article published in today's edition of the Spec"
Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people read the Spec. That Councillor green uses the Spec to reach out to his constituents his standard operating procedure for politicians.
Whats next from jim graham? Critizising Councillor Green for having a fax number or cell phone?
Becca Barnes
Councilor Green is too busy keeping his constituents current to address any concerns respecting character or conduct.
ReplyDeleteToo busy speaking at length, without a credible comment of support.
Don't worry brothers, the author of your demise has your back.
He voted to have you eliminated in favour of non-union outsiders. And now would like to march in your parade.
Do you still deny you were the jim graham at Council last month praising Councillors Whitehead and Skelly while condeming Councillor Green? Im surprised you would deny that. Thought you would be proud of it. Guess not.
DeleteJames Taylor
I can confirm you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
DeleteAgain.
Thinking and guessing are not your strong points. Then again neither are planning or communicating.
Amusing watching you swing wildly from "you do nothing" to "what you do is wrong" while grasping desperately for some traction.
This is at least the 3rd time you have asked me if "I" am "him". Confused?
What are your strengths again?
Not everyone has the moral courage to stand behind their words.
Deletepeddle power
bad at guessing, even worse at thinking.
Delete"Surprise, surprise, surprise".
DeleteGuess again, deep thinker.
Not everyone has the moral courage of "peddle power."
Here Eric Tuck disproving EVERYTHING jim graham says. I anticipate the response from jim graham will be jim grahams theme song.
ReplyDeleteThe classic Simon and Garfunkel song, "the Sounds of Silence"
"What we are saying is we are against privatizing of public transit. It's my belief public transit should remain in the hands of the public … Despite everything, we've heard I still don't believe the door is completely closed."
"Tuck said he remains hopeful a negotiated solution is possible with Metrolinx and the city to preserve a role for HSR and union members."
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/7261600-union-says-contract-forbids-privatized-hamilton-lrt-operation/
So what jim graham says has happened hasnt.
its clear from the facts that Councilor Green has been working with ATU for almost a year.
That jim graham and Councilor Skelly have done nothing, nothing to protect ATU jobs, its clear they have lots of work to do to catch up to Councillor Green
Mike Stark
"what we are saying is we are against privatizing of public transit"
DeleteAnd Matthew Green voted to do just that. Privatize public transit.
Does Tuck have anything specific or positive to say of Green's advocacy? Of course not.
Ask him what he thinks of Mr. Green's "support" Ask ATU members. And quote them here.
Few have done more than Mr. Green. He is in a league of his own. Standing all alone. All by himself. As if trying to distance himself from.... himself.
Selfish. Hypocritical. Cowardly.
And strangely silent. Unable-or just unwilling-to provide an explanation, leaving his defense to Mr. Stark.
Accountability and transparency from your friend in Ward 3.
"And Matthew Green voted to do just that. Privatize public transit"
DeleteYou lie.
This hasnt happened.
Mike Stark
10 to 5 Mike.
DeleteHere just one more example of one of the many of the organizations that fought for LRT working hard TODAY to help mitigate negative impacts of the LRT build and transition.
ReplyDelete"Chamber holds seminar series to help businesses cope with LRT construction"
"As major proponents for LRT, we know it is our duty to ensure that we do everything possible to mitigate the impacts of construction on lower city businesses," Loomis said.
"To that end, this is the first project of many that we'll be working on with Metrolinx over the next seven years."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/lrt-sessions-for-businesses-1.4096105
James Taylor
the MOU is unequivocal in it's language. What does it state?
ReplyDelete"...the project will be designed, built, and owned by Metrolinx and operated by or on behalf of Metrolinx on lands in the City of Hamilton which Metrolinx will either own or in which it will have real property interests"
Councilor Jackson: " Paul, if I understand this correctly, this seems to suggest that we will be transferring ownership of the route to Metrolinx?"
Paul Johnson: "correct"
Further, Johnson clearly asserts it is "highly unlikely" the Province would even consider revisiting terms of understanding once the EA is approved. Why would they? According to Mike and Jim it took 10 years of toil to produce this masterpiece.
Did Mr. Green ever express any reservations with the language of the MOU? Turns out he did, in fact it demonstrates he is very familiar with the document and has read it very carefully.
Greens concerns? "late schedule consequences" and "3rd party liability"
Nothing about transferring union jobs to non union outsiders? No. Nothing? Never. Until now. Through spokespeople.
All a matter of public record. James and Mike claim they were there, but heard something different. High pitched squelching.
Mr.Green may never explain his conduct, but he will have to face it, eventually.
O happy day.
My favourite part of jim grahams made up stories about privitisation and loosing ATU jobs that havent actually happened?
DeleteIts that his own quotes that prove him wrong in plain, straightforward language.
More Self inflicted wounds from jim graham.
Here we go.
jim grahamMay 05, 2017
the MOU is unequivocal in it's language. What does it state?
"...the project will be designed, built, and owned by Metrolinx and operated by or on behalf of Metrolinx on lands in the City of Hamilton which Metrolinx will either own or in which it will have real property interests"
jims first lie exposed:
"..the project will be designed, built, and owned by Metrolinx"
Metrolinx is a Crown Agency. If Metrolinx owns Hamiltons LRT, it hasnt been privatised.
Big whiff number one for jim graham.
Second jim graham lie exposed:
"operated by or on behalf of Metrolinx .."
metrolinx currently operates transit systems with union labour. Hamilton could be one of them. Metrolinx has operations contracts with union operators. Hamilton can be one of those.
Big whiff number two for jim graham.
Third lie for jim graham.
" Through spokespeople."
jim graham says Councillor Green has maintained zero silence about the issue. jim graham says spokespeople for Councillor Graham are commenting on this issue. jim graham cannot cite or source or link to a Councillor Green spokesperson commenting on the matter.
Big whiff number three for jim graham.
Mike Stark
"Councilor Jackson: " Paul, if I understand this correctly, this seems to suggest that we will be transferring ownership of the route to Metrolinx?"
ReplyDeletePaul Johnson: "correct"
Further, Johnson clearly asserts it is "highly unlikely" the Province would even consider revisiting terms of understanding once the EA is approved"
An excerpt from jim grahams creative writing class.
Mike Stark
Bay Observer, 9/16/16
Delete"...the project will be designed, built, and owned by Metrolinx and operated by or on behalf of Metrolinx on lands in the City of Hamilton which Metrolinx will either own or in which it will have real property interests"
ReplyDeleteStill no language that excludes ATU workers from being operators.
Mike Stark
"Nothing about transferring union jobs to non union outsiders?"
ReplyDeleteExactly
James Taylor
I was driving Westbound on King Street yesterday, when I drove by the old Scott Park school, which give you a view of the stadium. I immediately thought; how bizarre is it to see a stadium in the middle of a neighborhood and knowing it could have been elsewhere. It is a grotesque eyesore in a neighbourhood. Then I was reminded that many of these same councillors who ended up with that monstrosity will now be trying to work the LRT thing- maybe. Does not exhume any confidence.
ReplyDeleteSorce
Daddy was a hack. He smelled like rubber.
ReplyDeleteHe bought a furnace once, but I replaced it.
Mike Stark
At a presentation before Council last month, jim graham praised Councillor Whitehead for his efforts in blocking LRT. jim graham praised Councillor Skellys efforts to block LRT. Then jim graham slammed Councillor Green for his efforts in supporting LRT. jim graham also said Councillor Green was a big meanie.
ReplyDeleteThis jim graham that went before council, brave soul that he is, must be devastated to see the anti LRT people betrayed by Councillor Whiteheads reversal of his anti LRT stance.
How could Councillor Whitehead break his word and vows and abandon vulnerable and at risk people like the Lazich family?
All those hours jim graham and those two other people and Councillor Whitehead huddled around the table at Westcliffe Mall food court, strategizing how to derail LRT.
And then Councillor Whitehead puts the final nail into the coffin of his anti LRT supporters.
The LRT is 100% getting built and its all because Councillor Whitehead reversed his stance.
I thought Councillor Whitehead made a brave and bold choice and I have written him to let him know. Great job Councillor!
Now that jim grahams hero Councillor Whitehead has teamed up with jim grahams arch enemy Councillor Green, I wonder what the talk is around the anti LRT camp. How will they recover?
Charles McGill
I believe Terry Whitehead made huge mistake. I do not know what accounts for his temporary lapse of reason, but I hope it is only temporary. This thing still can be stopped, and it should be. But when I see what they did with the stadium and the monstrosity that stands in the middle of a neighbourhood, I am 100% confident that they can blow this as well. It's too bad that Clr. Collins and Whitehead are losing strength and resolve.
DeleteSorce
"This thing still can be stopped.."
DeleteIt cant.
"..and it should be"
It shouldnt.
Xander
"at a presentation"...delusional and inaccurate.
ReplyDeletethe talk around the LRT camp is "these 2 deserve each other, like 2 peas in a pod, like an orangemike and a Charles McGill"
Truly desperate for any support they can muster, the pro-camp gladly accepts the qualified and corrupted endorsement of their most reviled critic, completely unaware that the Trojan horse from Ward 8 represents a ticking time bomb. If Terry's support leaves you feeling all tingly, you fill your boots.
Charles likes his politicians to be hypocritical, lacking in conviction and certain of their own moral superiority. Looks like you have another fine candidate for the team Charles.
See you at the Mall.
jim grahamMay 06, 2017
Delete"at a presentation"...delusional and
inaccurate.
Yes, jim grahams presentation was delusional and inaccurate. Thats why I thought of our jim graham.
http://hamilton.siretechnologies.com/sirepub/cache/2/ngjjugfga4uiammcpeo55xzy/19701205062017102618403.PDF
Charles McGill
Oh my. I hope what jim graham says about Councilor Whitehead isnt true. That jim graham would say it is strange whether he believes it or not. Lets look closely at what is so troubling and why.
Deletejim graham says of Councillor Whitehead:
"..completely unaware that the Trojan horse from Ward 8 represents a ticking time bomb"
?????
"Trojan horse"? "Ticking time bomb"?
While I dont always agree with Councilor Whitehead, he works hard and has a good heart.
However, jim graham is a big supporter of Councilor Whitehead.
Now jim graham is saying some things about Councillor Whitehead that are troubling for many reasons.
jim graham is using words phrases like "ticking time bomb" and "trojan horse regarding Councillor Whitehead pro LRT vote last month.
What is jim graham saying?
Heres several ways to interpret
- Councillor Whitehead is planning some sneaky dirty inside trick ala "trojan horse"
- Councilor Whitehead voted yes for LRT only to try and scuttle the plan later ala trojan horse
-Councilor Whitehead wasnt being honest in his reasons for voting yes for LRT ala trojan horse
-Councillor Whitehead is unstable ala ticking time bomb
-Councilor Whitehead is going to do something drastic to destroy LRT ala ticking time bomb
These are unkind things to say and that a big Councilor Whitehead supporter like jim graham would say them is strange.
But these are stressful times for some. And bonds once thought strong are torn asunder.
Charles McGill
Councilor Whitehead is an attractive man. Powerful speaker. I like him a lot better now.
ReplyDeleteRuby
hey Charles, did this vision of Graham presenting to Council come in a feverish dream?
ReplyDeleteEvery delegate that presented to Council was recorded for posterity at Cable 14 as well as by our friend at the Public Record. Most were uploaded to youtube.
I can't find it anywhere, and he isn't even listed as a delegate.
If we are going to spew baloney, we should at least cover our tracks. You are damaging the image.
Mike Stark
jim graham
Deletehttp://hamilton.siretechnologies.com/sirepub/cache/2/ngjjugfga4uiammcpeo55xzy/19701205062017102618403.PDF
Charles McGill
I have been watching with delight as people try to defend this silly idea. Like it or not, most people in Hamilton are not supportive of LRT and many continue to se it as a head scratching moment and another example of how city council chases shiny coins.
ReplyDeleteThe poll confirming that most people do not support LRT (see The Spec's heading and The Hamiltonian's summary), rings true with what people say to me when discussing this topic. Most don't get why we are doing it. Most say- what's wrong with busses?
So, our local politicians are once again letting the tail wag the dog, and posing as leaders. The only true leader that began to emerrge was Terry Whitehead, and even he erred at the last moment. The idea makes no sense, even if the Eastgate option gives it a better varnish.
The wood is still rotten underneath.
Mr. Whitehead would be well advised to get back on message and stop this thing. Each days wastes more money.
Sorce
Fascinating.
Delete"see The Spec's heading and The Hamiltonian's summary"
Yes. By all means. Get all your important information from headlines and summaries.
In school, some said Cole notes were easier. This gave them more time to eat paste. But I learned so much more by reading the entire source material.
LeDuc
LeDuc, I assumed you would not take my statement literally. Of course, i as well as others, read entire articles and not just headlines. Sorry, I assumed you'd know that. Apparently i was wrong.
DeleteRegards
Sorce
Folks. The conversation is once again degrading into undue personal comments. We are on the verge of shutting this thread down, should this continue.
ReplyDeleteOh my. This is till being talked about. Its nuts. A big waste of money. Shame on all of these politicians. Why don't you get some transportation out into Stoney Creek. Its like we don't have a counselor out here. Or use the money to get some busses that go all over Hamilton.What happened to helping our children in poverty?
ReplyDeleteSylvia (the Hockey mom)
"Why don't you get some transportation out into Stoney Creek."
DeleteWhen is Stoney Creek going to start paying its fair share for transit?
Getting rid of area rating means you get better transit.
Why does Stoney Creek keep voting against paying more for improved transit?
"Its like we don't have a counselor out here"
All three Councillors out there routinely vote against increased funding for HSR and routinely vote for budget cuts for HSR.
Organize ten percent of your hockey chums and transfer twenty percent of your time and energy away from hockey and to better transit for your area and you will have better transit in no time.
Lancaster
I am sorry but that was very rude and I do not speak to rude people.
DeleteSylvia (the hockey mom)
Heres jim graham on Councilor Terry Whiteheads yes vote on LRT:
ReplyDelete"..completely unaware that the Trojan horse from Ward 8 represents a ticking time bomb"
Here jim graham on Councilor Matthew Greens yes vote on LRT:
"the only Councilor to demonstrate such hypocrisy, such a double standard"
"Is Councilor Green negotiating with the Province in bad faith? Agreeing to terms he has no intentions of honouring? Immediately setting out to undermine the terms of the agreement he just supported?
Or just blowing smoke?"
and
"When character could have been demonstrated, a flawed plan could have-should have-been challenged when all were present and with the cameras rolling"
or
"Incompetence defined. Hypocrisy on display"
And
"Is this the value of those relationships? Sold out for a song and dance?"
So in jim grahams mind Councillor Whiteheads yes vote for LRT was a sham cause hes really planning to derail the LRT from withing and that he doesnt really support LRT he just voted yes to have a chance to stop it later.
And jim graham thinks thats great. As a longtime Councillor Whitehead supporter Im not suprised.
That what jim graham finds heroic in Councillor Whitehead he finds abhorrent in Councillor Green isnt surprising either.
Tacitus
I remain confused (about many things...why I am here?) but not surprised. Well, not really surprised. At least not all of the time. Mostly here.
DeleteWould anybody like to read more from Mr. Graham? Just ask...right at my fingertips...I think.
I am a longtime Councilor Whitehead supporter. Surprised?
Tacitus
I like pipes. I am a pipe smoker.
ReplyDeleteCharles McGill.
Does jim graham post here on a regular basis as other people?
DeleteIve seen posts attributed to me I didnt make.
Was that jim graham?
I saw that Sylvia (The Hockey Mom) who has a registered account replied to a post in a un registered fashion and spelled her name wrong.
Was that jim graham also?
What explanation could there be for
"I like pipes. I am a pipe smoker.
Charles McGill"
being posted under jim grahams registered account but attributed to Charles McGill?
By the way, I dont smoke.
Charles McGill
I see many more drive by's for Councilor Green in the immediate future, those drivers have excellent vision and long memories.
ReplyDeleteIf only they could happen whilst he is being questioned by the constabulary....win/win. With witnesses!
Tacitus
jim graham says yet more unkind things about Councillor terry Whitehead
ReplyDelete"Charles likes his politicians to be hypocritical, lacking in conviction and certain of their own moral superiority. Looks like you have another fine candidate for the team Charles."
Wow. Whats jim graham going to say in his next face to face with Councillor Whitehead? I will have to email Councillor Whitehead about how jim grahams opinion of him has changed.
David Wexler
Looks like The Hamiltonian to the rescue. Again! Could the Hamiltonian please contact Paul Johnson and Eric Tuck regarding the issue of contracting out to non union LRT operators.
ReplyDeleteThanks Hamiltonian!
Cindy Lou
that is a great idea, and just for giggles, why don't you ask Green (again) and Whitehead to clear the air on the matter as well?
DeleteI have struggled with life. Made poor choices, and I seem always to be able to make a bad situation worse.
ReplyDeleteI resent-hate-those I view as successful. Listening to them sickens me, reminds me, again and again of what I have become.
The car has become the symbol of my envy. As unreasonable and irrational as it might seem, those wheels have become the defining emblem of my shortcomings. What do I drive? Too ashamed to even go there. See what I mean?
LRT is a chance to get even. Make those successful types suffer a little. Looks good on them. More coming. Bam.
So I will continue my obsessive charade, I have nothing else. I will obfuscate fact. I will morph from identity to identity, unwilling and unable to defend that which I promote. Chango.
Looking forward to more of the same. This is therapy for me, at your expense.
Presto.
orangemike
Much of the commentary from some has been reduced to jabs in concert with on topic commentary or AP. These types of comments will be rejected. Comments that are on topic and respectful will continue to appear.
ReplyDeleteThe Hamiltonian Admin
... or apart rather
ReplyDelete